"Soft" Moderation Queue

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"Soft" Moderation Queue

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This would be used in conjunction with or optional to the regular moderation queue. Any posts that fall within the criteria would be instantly made public but be flagged for moderator review. For example let's suppose NRU group is set to 5 posts, this could extend that or even replace it.

As another example if you have problematic member it could be applied without their knowledge and modertors can review their posts in the background.

As an additional option this can also be used in conjunction with or optional to the post edit time limit. Any edits to a post by any member after X time would be flagged for review. You could just forgo the edit time limit entirely.

Last but not least there is no way to disapprove an edit and revert to original post. Minimally this would require implementation of a rudimentary revision system. Even if it's just a table that temporarily stores the original which would be deleted upon review.
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thecoalman wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:28 pm This would be used in conjunction with or optional to the regular moderation queue. Any posts that fall within the criteria would be instantly made public but be flagged for moderator review. For example let's suppose NRU group is set to 5 posts, this could extend that or even replace it.

As another example if you have problematic member it could be applied without their knowledge and modertors can review their posts in the background.

As an additional option this can also be used in conjunction with or optional to the post edit time limit. Any edits to a post by any member after X time would be flagged for review. You could just forgo the edit time limit entirely.
hmm?? I quite like the Idea (but need to ponder about the removal of the NRU group)
thecoalman wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:28 pm Last but not least there is no way to disapprove an edit and revert to original post. Minimally this would require implementation of a rudimentary revision system. Even if it's just a table that temporarily stores the original which would be deleted upon review.
Prime Post Revisions caters for this (this would have been a very useful extension on one of my extinct boards).

Tempted to vote :thumbsup: but I'll let this simmer a while first.
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warmweer wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:04 pm I quite like the Idea (but need to ponder about the removal of the NRU group)
I'm not suggesting removing the NRU group. This would add more options for the NRU group.

Overall you would need two new permissions. "Can post without review" and "Can edit without review." For the second permission you would need another setting "Edit time before review". If you set this for 6 hours, any group with that permissions set to yes will have any edits they make flagged for review. You would for example be able to apply this to the "registered users" group and even disable the edit time limit if the forum admin desires. The time limit is nice feature but it's forum wide and that can be problematic.

For the NRU group you would need two new settings, "Number of posts that need to be approved" and "Number of posts that need to be reviewed". Their total would need to be equal or lower than "New member post limit:".

Prime Post Revisions caters for this (this would have been a very useful extension on one of my extinct boards).
If you are going to review edits you need some kind of revision system. This is actually a bug within phpBB. If a user is in the "moderation queue" when they edit a post it needs to be approved. If you disapprove the post, *poof* it's gone. The workaround is to approve and then edit it yourself if possible.

I don't think phpBB needs a fully functional revision system because you'll end up with a boatload of revisions for typos etc.
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Re: "Soft" Moderation Queue

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I'm not opposed to implementing this, as it would be useful for some situations. That being said, if I thought that someone really was a problem but not yet worthy of a ban, I would probably more inclined to use the regular Moderation Queue, so they do not start trouble when a moderator is not online.

I would probably only use this proposed "soft" queue on users who I think may be the more clever type of spammers but don't have enough information to say for certain.
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thecoalman wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:01 pm
warmweer wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:04 pm I quite like the Idea (but need to ponder about the removal of the NRU group)
I'm not suggesting removing the NRU group. This would add more options for the NRU group.
Bad choice of wording from me.I actually meant that I was thinking about not using the NRU - not really about removing the feature.
And in the meantime I've grown to like the idea a lot more so it's time to cast my sizzling vote. ;)
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Random American wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:18 pm I'm not opposed to implementing this, as it would be useful for some situations.
Using this for a problematic poster is the least important feature.

The edit time limit as it is now insures you don't have posters removing content, they can render a topic useless others have participated in. It can also help insure spam bots aren't coming back weeks or months later to edit a spam link into a post. The edit time limit is also global, it can't be set on individual forums. Regular users that have legitimate reason for editing an old post have no option other that contacting a moderator.

This will accomplish same thing and fixes the problems with edit time limit since you would be able to disable it entirely.
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thecoalman wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:10 amIt can also help insure spam bots aren't coming back weeks or months later to edit a spam link into a post.
I will vote yes for that reason. I don't so much care about users redacting content and leaving so much as spambots pulling fast ones. It would be nice to prevent spam edits without blocking everyone from editing their posts after a set period or tediously locking a suspicious user's posts one by one.
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