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Any progress?

Post by Boby Dimitrov » Tue Nov 20, 2001 7:52 am

Just curious, is anyone doing something on the phpPP, instead of talking? Any ideas when the development will begin? A list of the potential developers?

My 2, no, 3 cents... erm, I mean questions... :oops:

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Post by Jay » Tue Nov 20, 2001 4:20 pm

I know that i'm not for the simple reason that it's going to use phpBB2 and that's not out yet. I would hate to start development on the portal that's going to rely so highly on phpBB2 and then get so far and have phpBB2 come out with some changes and then have to go back and change phpPP etc. So I say that we just wait for phpBB2 to come out before we start. Also, I don't know how long it will take for the phpBB team to come out with 2.2 but I don't know how realistic it's going to be to release phpPP 1.0 at the same time with phpBB 2.2. It just seems that there is a ton of work to make a portal and I don't know if there is the same amount of work to go from phpBB 2 to 2.2?

Also, we still have the issue of finalizing core features of the portal and getting a team of developers to work on the project. I'm sure there are other things that I'm leaving out before we can actually start on development. I know I would like to see the discussion end, have a finalized list of features, and the team of developers ready to go by the end of the year.

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Post by vandal » Tue Nov 20, 2001 4:44 pm

i suggest the following:
brainstorm until phpBB 2.0 is released

then while the features for phpBB 2.2 are discussed you can throw in the changes/improvements that phpPP 1.0 would need into that discussion

this obviously requires the portal developers to not only brainstorm but also look how it could be implemented within the current framework ... I don't expect many drastic changes before the phpBB 2.0 release .. i think right now they are working out the last bugs that I expect to be very forum specific

so I suggest that the phpPP dev team would start to assemble itself now! and start looking at the phpBB source code with their phpPP "hats" on

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Post by Boby Dimitrov » Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:04 pm

If I got that right, you suggest to wait for BB2.2, before even starting the PP, is that correct?

I kinda imagined a quick release of the portal with just a few core features included, like that guy Joshua's portal system. It's simple and plain but/and it works fine. It has some of the basic fuctionality.

Now I bet that several of the php specialists that pass by here could come up with a core-release (if I may call it so) by the end of the year, having in mind that BB2 should be out by then.

Anyway, just thinking aloud...

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Post by psoTFX » Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:18 pm

What he's saying (or what I take from his post) is firstly use the time available to you now before the release of 2.0 to:
  • Define the requirements, still being discussed/argued
  • Define a feature set, what's being discussed now is too fragmented with too many people suggesting ideas and no general 'overseer' to prune the ideas out and where necessary say "no" ... indeed this particular area is exactly why we don't like people suggesting ideas in the forums.
  • Build a team that can and will do the job, it's all well and good having people saying "I'd love to get involved" but (with no offence intended at all) you really need people who are familiar with PHP, know some of it's problems and short cuts, are familiar with phpBB 2.x code (and its coding standards) and have the time and will power to really contribute (or you'll end up with team members getting irritated at lack of contribution, poor code, etc.)
  • Examine the phpBB 2.0 code thoroughly, and based on the defined requirements and feature set determine what, if anything needs to be modified within the core code to accomodate it
  • Discuss with James, myself and the other phpBB 2.x devs your requirements so we can come (if possible) to some common ground while we work towards the release of 2.2 (which will no doubt already address some of the basic needs of the portal based on our own internal feature list right now)

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Post by Jay » Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:21 pm

sounds to me like we are going to need more than just this one forum to really get things organized etc...

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Post by vandal » Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:21 pm

paul, did an excellent job with the interpretation of my post
hope his version is a bit more clear than what I came up :-)

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Post by psoTFX » Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:22 pm

What you need isn't more forums, what you need is to define the basic requirements, define the basic feature set and put together a team. With that done the dev team can argue over how features are implemented (you can always defer to the users from time to time, as we do). Otherwise you'll be going round in circles for months ...

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Post by Jay » Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:26 pm

okay then.. the logical thing that i would think is to find a team of developers first.. so my next question to you pso (since you've obviously done this before :D ) is how many do you think we need and you've already said the kind of experience we need. Once we find out who is going to develope the software then I would think those developers can decide what the core features are going to be etc.

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Post by vandal » Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:31 pm

i would suggest that in the beginning you get 3 max 5 hardcore people together, with one guy (tops two if they get along well) with the final say

if you have more in the early stages you will have anarchy

the rest will have to do with suggestion things first
once the core of the portal is established somewhere at phpPP 0.5 you can open the module specs and people can join in with different modules

one of them should be from the phpBB team

those guys butt heads here and on irc

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Post by Boby Dimitrov » Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:32 pm

Paul, my post was a reply to Jay, not to Vandal, as his post was not up yet when I started replying.

Misunderstood as always, I am... And now everyone will start pointing at me, saying "Look at him, what a stupid comment to make over Vandal's post"...

Anyway, I'd like to let ya'll know I'm not a php developer myself, just a overexcited fan, and yes, I know that excitement won't get us nowhere. If there's no other way to help the development of phpPP, the least I can do is shut up, so I don't disturb you.

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Post by psoTFX » Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:34 pm

As per Vandal, make sure you do have a structure in place, if you're working within phpBB Group you'll need a Lead Developer who has the day to day control and ability to say yes/no ... James as Project Manager would have final say (but the whole phpBB Group thing has yet to be decided from what I've read in this forum).

Boby, my reply was to Vandal, not to you, but is applicable to general 'sense' of this thread anyway :)

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Post by Boby Dimitrov » Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:39 pm

Hm, this has become quite like a chatbox, don't you think?
The lack of threading, combined with my lousy english knowledge confuses me a lot... Sorry guys.

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Post by Aristotle » Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:40 pm

I would feel a little more comfortable (not that anybody cares about that) with someone who has actively participated in the development of phpBB becoming the head of the team. Of course I don't know if such a person exists, or at least such a person who would be willing to switch projects.

I personally do not have the knowledge of PHP to be an effective developer. I do hope to get in on things in that 'module stage' though, and to continue offering suggestions here.

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Post by vandal » Tue Nov 20, 2001 5:51 pm

i dont have the time ...
nor would it make sense since i have my own closed source application framework ... odd how i am trying to build my own competition :)

but acutally lets rather get people to post that they are willing then people post that they dont want or are unable etc

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