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Re: [DEV] phpBB3 Forum AI

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nexties wrote:You are obviously a smart person with insight
Obviously not, since I'm still writing here in this non-sense topic... :roll:
nexties wrote:Let's have some fun with this topic.
real fun would be some code and some answers to my question:
updown wrote:what will be required to install it (server-side), how many ressources does Alice need at the moment, and will this be actually a MOD that everyone will be able to use easily on standard hosting-servers?
I'm definitely finished here. Can somebody please send me a PM when this MOD will be in Beta available for phpBB 5.4.0? Maybe I should ask Alice when this will be...

Everything you say or do here (IQ, response, facebook, ...) has nothing to do with a phpbb-MOD for implementing Alice to phpBB - this all can be done by some altering of the original php-Alice-Prog "Program E". So, what's next, nexties?
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updown said, "what will be required to install it (server-side), how many ressources does Alice need at the moment, and will this be actually a MOD that everyone will be able to use easily on standard hosting-servers?"

what will be required to install it (server-side):

Advanced skills, and persistent determination.
Artificial Intelligence simulates life which makes it a challenge.
At a minimum, you should be prepared to push the limits.


how many ressources does Alice need at the moment:

Alice is designed to be an ordinary phpBB member who happens
to be a robot. However, she does seem to require more interaction.
So to check that, it is being measured now under simulation. The
bridge between phpBB and social networking sites is a simulation
to measure resources usage of the database brain, which is the
core of the forum bot AI.


Will this be actually a MOD that everyone will be able to use
easily on standard hosting-servers?:

Nothing worthwhile is ever easy, and in particular this is generally
challenging because it is advanced. It may be thought of as helping a
child to grow up to be an accepted member of the forum community.
However, the results will speak for themselves... Literally!


No hard feelings, if you or anyone else wants to be a quitter.
Just remember this, development of this project is active,
and is moving forward. You are always welcome to return.
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Re: [DEV] phpBB3 Forum AI

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Excuse me. This is really beginning to be tiresome.

You protest more than you produce. I know there are programmers here with better skills than mine, and yours.

It seems from your protestations that all of us are limited, except yourself. You advertise and waffle and BS, and when pressed you claim great difficulties in making ALICE function under phpBB.

This is foolish. Produce some code, or shut up!
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Re: [DEV] phpBB3 Forum AI

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It is relatively easy to produce an AI member that talks relative nonsense.
Such a robot is pretty much useless on the average board. Who needs something that produces senseless chit-chat?

It is much more complicated to produce an AI member that is able to produce relatively coherent interaction.
That's a process that requires time, training and effort.

Although on one hand I understand people that get tired of waiting on the other hand I can understand Nexties. Nexties wants to present a phpBB AI that has reached a certain level and for that he needs help in the form of much interaction between many people and Alice, something that seems rather difficult to achieve.

I have been playing for a while with the old phpBB2 AI MOD and learned that it's hard to make the AI make certain sense. I stopped trying as it seemed too time consuming.

As I'm not intending to upgrade to phpBB3.x I can´t really find the motivation to visit Alice regularly and thus help with the development of Alice, although I do spent the occasional moment with her and notice progress is being made.

All that being said I just want to wish Nexties a lot of useful conversations between people and Alice and those interested in this MOD patience and goodwill.
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muggins wrote:Excuse me. This is really beginning to be tiresome.

You protest more than you produce. I know there are programmers here with better skills than mine, and yours.

It seems from your protestations that all of us are limited, except yourself. You advertise and waffle and BS, and when pressed you claim great difficulties in making ALICE function under phpBB.

This is foolish. Produce some code, or shut up!
Fully agree with that,

Please give some code, so that we know that you are working on this ;)
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Nice to see someone is working on this again, as the phpBB 2 version was kinda dead. Note that way more then only ALICE is available, in aiml. Goodluck with you're mod!
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Dogs and things wrote:It is much more complicated to produce an AI member that is able to produce relatively coherent interaction.
That's a process that requires time, training and effort.
Of course. And the problem is, that when you want to use other Alice-languages (or even in english on specialized boards), you have to start individual training again from scratch - most of the Alice-Training-Experiences done here by nexties are useless for other boards.

Watching the content in this development-thread for the last 12 months, I have to assume that nexties isn't interested in sharing his experience at all. All points to the intend to make his own bot better and not sharing anything of that.

On nexties site, the Alice-Integration for replying are fully working since months. This knowledge could be used for testing other Alices on other sites simultaneously and sharing experiences and/or bugs much more effective and faster in the sense of the phpbb-community - equally like in other DEV-Mods where extensive testing is systematically necessary! Nexties surely is smart enough to be aware of that, but he does everything to keep this knowledge for himself, nothing useful has ever been announced here, all he does is advertising his site and the intelligence-training for his own individual bot.

Due to these facts, and if this behavior by nexties does not alter to a "we" instead of a "me", I have severe doubts that this "MOD" will ever be released to the public.
what will be required to install it (server-side):

Advanced skills, and persistent determination.
Artificial Intelligence simulates life which makes it a challenge.
At a minimum, you should be prepared to push the limits.

how many ressources does Alice need at the moment:

Alice is designed to be an ordinary phpBB member who happens
to be a robot. However, she does seem to require more interaction.
So to check that, it is being measured now under simulation. The
bridge between phpBB and social networking sites is a simulation
to measure resources usage of the database brain, which is the
core of the forum bot AI.

Will this be actually a MOD that everyone will be able to use
easily on standard hosting-servers?:


Nothing worthwhile is ever easy, and in particular this is generally
challenging because it is advanced. It may be thought of as helping a
child to grow up to be an accepted member of the forum community.
However, the results will speak for themselves... Literally!
@nexties: Please cut that crap! This is no information that helps anyone, also your answers are senseless like nearly everything else you posted so far. Your information-policy is totally absurd and these kind of childish behavior is nothing that could be helpful at all.

Cheers, I'm out until something real useable and/or testable comes up - and I bet this will be for a looooooong time.
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Re: [DEV] phpBB3 Forum AI

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updown wrote:Of course. And the problem is, that when you want to use other Alice-languages (or even in english on specialized boards), you have to start individual training again from scratch - most of the Alice-Training-Experiences done here by nexties are useless for other boards.
That's a very good point you make here, I had missed that. ;)

And I agree with you, once there is a working code-base development should be shared by making available that code and starting to work together to make it as good as possible.
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I'm also watching this topic for a year, and hope for progress, so others can also use.
Has there ever been phpBB2 Forum Al? If there was, someone may port to phpBB3.
I abandoned all of my mods.
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Perhaps the brilliant computer scientist Dr. Richard S. Wallace may have the solution. Seek him out and ask him about Program E. Tell him 8-Man sent you. If you are polite, and careful, perhaps you will find the answer, otherwise the Doctor will ignore you as if you did not even exist.

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Dr. Richard S. Wallace formed the ALICE A. I. Foundation in 2001 to promote the development and adoption of Artificial Intelligence Markup Language (AIML) and ALICE free software. Dr. Wallace has a Ph.D. in computer science from Carnegie Mellon.


Citations:
http://alicebot.blogspot.com/
http://www.blogger.com/profile/10579362105495940716
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mtrs wrote:Has there ever been phpBB2 Forum Al?
Yes, it can be found here and here, although the second link does have an invalid download link the first link still produces the phpBB2 version of a Forum AI MOD.

If you want to see how it works set up a phpBB2 test board and play around with it.
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Re: [DEV] phpBB3 Forum AI

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What is a forum bot ?

A forum bot is an ordinary member of the forum
just like anyone else, except it is a member who
happens to be a robot.

Forum bots do just what other members do on the
forum. They read posts by other members. They
respond to posts by other members. They are just
another member of the online forum community.

Just like any other member the forum bot has a
profile with permissions and an avatar. Other
members enjoy friendships with forum bots and
are delighted to have coversations online.

A forum is a great place for anyone to carry on
a discussion. So it is a great place for a robot
to interact in a one to many relationship, and in
a many to many relationship, as opposed to being
limited to a one to one relationship on a simple
webpage submit form.

A forum is an advanced interface for the robot.
So the robot designer does not have to be
concerned about coding the interface. Instead
they can simply focus on improving the robot's
artificial intelligence, and use the forum to train
and debug the robot.

A forum is a top quality interface to demonstrate
the features of the robot and show what the robot
can do. It is easier for robot designers to support
their research and development efforts. A robot
member of the forum is also a way to promote the
popularity of the robot in public.
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More meaningless puffery. Thank you.
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Re: [DEV] phpBB3 Forum AI

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Nexties,

What goals do you want to have reached before offering a first public release of Alice?

Greetings.
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Just to name a few. Full control of the robot. For example, there is no off switch since the code is prototypical. There is only one setting hardcoded into the robot to respond to every member every time except for the first post on the thread. The fact that some phpbb members are getting a little frustrated over a code release is really a compliment. Rest assured that this project is actively being developed.
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