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Master_Cylinder, this idea is about re-designing the current style, no whether or not you think the updated one "looks as bad". If you have constructive criticism, then that's fine. Bashing by saying we're going "in the wrong direction" is not constructive. ;)
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tmbackoff wrote:Master_Cylinder, this idea is about re-designing the current style, no whether or not you think the updated one "looks as bad". If you have constructive criticism, then that's fine. Bashing by saying we're going "in the wrong direction" is not constructive. ;)
Opinions on how bad the design looks is constructive, imho.
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tmbackoff wrote:Bashing by saying we're going "in the wrong direction" is not constructive
If you feel this way, explain why you feel this way. If applicable, provide facts and figures of other projects that went this direction. Saying it sucks helps nobody. :roll:
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tmbackoff wrote:
tmbackoff wrote:Bashing by saying we're going "in the wrong direction" is not constructive
If you feel this way, explain why you feel this way. If applicable, provide facts and figures of other projects that went this direction. Saying it sucks helps nobody. :roll:
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Re: phpbb default style re-design

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Well, in 3.1, prosilver is responsive, using html5 and css3 features. If someone likes to have completely new style, they can create one and propose to be implemented as a default one.

Or maybe (just in case there are lots of frontend developers having nothing to do) phpBB could bring new style every now and then, just like Wordpress does. However, a team responsible for that should be created.
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Senky wrote:Well, in 3.1, prosilver is responsive, using html5 and css3 features. If someone likes to have completely new style, they can create one and propose to be implemented as a default one.

Or maybe (just in case there are lots of frontend developers having nothing to do) phpBB could bring new style every now and then, just like Wordpress does. However, a team responsible for that should be created.
Kind if my plan, we need something new and the best way is to create it through the style submission and get the communities feedback on phpBB.com through it development.

I have started laying the groundwork for such an endeavor https://github.com/hanakin/phpBB-StyleGuide the focus at the moment being establishing a framework to base a rewrite of the code on top of. With design coming in to play later on.

I agree with some of the commenters above though we need a very simple theme with a very small CSS footprint to base things off.
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I don't agree, the actual prosilver style is perfect, and works fine also on smartphones.
I don't understand this trend to transform everything in a shitty app-like design with less features (or difficoult-to-find features).
A forum is a forum, it's not a shitty app, if you want that simply use a telegram group instead of a forum.
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new.new wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:43 pm
I don't agree, the actual prosilver style is perfect, and works fine also on smartphones.
I don't understand this trend to transform everything in a shitty app-like design with less features (or difficoult-to-find features).
A forum is a forum, it's not a shitty app, if you want that simply use a telegram group instead of a forum.
Hi New.New, you must be new around here ;)

This topic was started way back in 2014 and well before the we had a mobile responsive theme for phpBB by default. Your right, the actual prosilver theme is perfect... now that its responsive :)
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Boardtalk.net wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:17 pm
Hi New.New, you must be new around here ;)

This topic was started way back in 2014 and well before the we had a mobile responsive theme for phpBB by default. Your right, the actual prosilver theme is perfect... now that its responsive :)
ops, i didn't look at the date :oops:
But, for example, i saw that there are some proposal to change the interface, here are some screenshot: https://blog.phpbb.com/2018/09/16/to-the-future/
I think the current prosilver is much better than the new proposal.
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new.new wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:38 pm
ops, i didn't look at the date :oops:
But, for example, i saw that there are some proposal to change the interface, here are some screenshot: https://blog.phpbb.com/2018/09/16/to-the-future/
I think the current prosilver is much better than the new proposal.
Yep, I saw that. The new one won't be ready for a while yet I'd imagine, have you engaged in the discussion topic about it? [DEV] [OFFICIAL] CODENAME: Chameleon

I'd also imagine the current prosilver will still be supported for a while yet, even long after the new theme comes online.

Lets be honest, no one can block progress and change sometimes is not easy but, if you got involved with the development of the new theme, at least your opinions (good or bad) will be taken into account.
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The prosilver style is just an awful visual experience, and anyone saying otherwise is clearly not looking straight :lol:

phpBB need a new and modern default style, so I am very happy for Hanakin taking this by the horns and providing what looks to be a great theme. It's about time phpBB entered the modern area of styling!
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TexTHKM wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 5:18 am
The prosilver style is just an awful visual experience, and anyone saying otherwise is clearly not looking straight :lol:
And that could easily be said of any style, since visual experience is quite individual.
Expressing your personal opinion as a general opinion isn't really helpful.
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TexTHKM wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 5:18 am
The prosilver style is just an awful visual experience, and anyone saying otherwise is clearly not looking straight :lol:

phpBB need a new and modern default style, so I am very happy for Hanakin taking this by the horns and providing what looks to be a great theme. It's about time phpBB entered the modern area of styling!
all of that is just your opinion. my opinion about the style he is working on is just the opposite. I dson't really like it at all.
also, the whole concept of a "new and modern" style is just a matter of personal opinion.

what passes for a "modern" style these days is very similar to what was considered a modern style 15 or more years ago.

you are certinaly entitled to your opinions about what a good style is however, it is not very cool to tell all of the many many people that disagree with you that they have some sort of visual problem.

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warmweer wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 4:53 pm
TexTHKM wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 5:18 am
The prosilver style is just an awful visual experience, and anyone saying otherwise is clearly not looking straight :lol:
And that could easily be said of any style, since visual experience is quite individual.
Expressing your personal opinion as a general opinion isn't really helpful.
I was joking (mostly) though, hence the hysteric laugh emoji. I didn't mean to offend anyone =)

In any case, it cannot really be disputed that phpBB prosilver is an aged style (even though some may enjoy it still), and nothing that would make new users say "wow, this looks fresh and inviting". Maybe in 2004 that is..
Just compare to default styles of other forum software's or the general style of a modern website.
Sure, visual style is individual, but you don't want your product main appearance, the thing everyone sees immediately, to present an image that this is a "old/ill-maintained software" (even though that of course IS NOT true, but visual first impressions ARE important, this cannot be underestimated). Hence that we have to find some approach that can find the middle-ground.

I think the new suggestion from Hanakin looks very good, while still encapsulating the "feel" of phpBB and keeping the core design elements intact.

So phpBB need a style redesign to keep up.. Just compare to MyBB: https://community.mybb.com/
(Of course all the paid options is in another league, but MyBB is free.)

But that doesn't mean that prosilver cannot also be included in future versions, as it seems like the devs what to keep that style alongside as another option.
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your example at mybb.com is exactly what I am talking about. that style looks just like phpbb2 styles.
nothing wrong with it at all. when prosilver came out it was to be more modern that what that style is.


now days, it has switched back to square corners again.

point it that is it all in the eye of the beholder.

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