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"Recycle bin" Board

Post by D@ve » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:35 am

At our board we don't actually delete posts, we just move them to a (hidden) trashcan board.

It happens often that we have to take a Post offline just temporary or that we have to keep a "deleted" post for legal issues, or even that thread is deleted by accident.

Most admins I know handle it that way. So it would be great if this could be automated by the system. By clicking the delete button the post/thread will be moved to the "recycled board" instead of beeing deleted for good.

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Re: "Recycle bin" Board

Post by Floyd » Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:01 am

You can set up a forum with limited permissions such that only moderators and admins can access it and it remains invisible to all others. Old topics can then be moved to that forum.
Most admins I know handle it that way. So it would be great if this could be automated by the system. By clicking the delete button the post/thread will be moved to the "recycled board" instead of beeing deleted for good.
How would you distinguish between posts and threads that you wanted to recycle and ones that you really wanted to delete? That would require two buttons. Moving threads to a hidden forum can be done with the current software.
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Re: "Recycle bin" Board

Post by Peter77sx » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:32 am

Sounds like a "soft delete" kinda deal.

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Post by KevC » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:45 am

Peter77sx wrote:Sounds like a "soft delete" kinda deal.
Yep, and soft delete is already in 3.1
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Re: "Recycle bin" Board

Post by brunoais » Thu Oct 17, 2013 1:32 pm

We already have a soft delete which is, IMO, much better than the trash can forum option.

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Re: "Recycle bin" Board

Post by Louis7777 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:44 pm

brunoais wrote:We already have a soft delete which is, IMO, much better than the trash can forum option.
There is one drawback.

When you soft-delete a topic, spiders can no longer crawl it.

When you move it to the Recycle Bin, spiders can have read permissions and still crawl it.

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Post by KevC » Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:51 pm

Why would you set the bin so bots can crawl it?
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Re: "Recycle bin" Board

Post by Louis7777 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:14 pm

KevC wrote:Why would you set the bin so bots can crawl it?
Because having more volume of legitimate content which is not spam and that the bots can see means a higher chance to get traffic for the various keywords that people may type in the search engine.

Having more topics (i.e. content) that is not spam, that makes sense and that talks about something will bring more people at your website and they may decide to discover it.

On the other hand, that practice may lead to a higher bounce rate for your website or to a little time of user engagement, since people will most likely not find what they were looking for in your Recycle Bin. And that's bad, bad, bad.

It may not be prudent to have the Recycle Bin open to bots, it is very risky, but sometimes users may decide to stay on your website if it looks and feels good.

So moderators should be careful with what topics they soft delete because you may lose content that should have been crawlable. It can be tricky to decide when soft delete is appropriate. For example:
  • If is is spam, then soft-delete it. Although, if it is spam, why not just hard-delete it?
  • If the discussion goes nowhere, then soft-delete it. But that way you will hide legitimate volume of content, keywords, and perhaps some useful information. Why not just lock the topic?
So when should they soft-delete topics?

One case that I can think of is when topics are in a link-sharing forum and their links are dead. By soft-deleting them you cause them to fall behind at the last pages of that forum, making it easy to have them separated from the good topics.

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Post by KevC » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:03 pm

Louis7777 wrote:Because having more volume of legitimate content which is not spam and that the bots can see means a higher chance to get traffic for the various keywords that people may type in the search engine.
The whole point of a trash forum is that it's stuff you don't want people to see. You would hide it. The perceived 'keyword' hit would be minimal, just like most other SEO nonsense.
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Re: "Recycle bin" Board

Post by Louis7777 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:04 pm

KevC wrote: The whole point of a trash forum is that it's stuff you don't want people to see. You would hide it. The perceived 'keyword' hit would be minimal, just like most other SEO nonsense.
Not necessarily.

Imagine a link-sharing forum. Topics have links to files and the posts there are from people who have downloaded those files, from people that have questions, that have bookmarked the topic, that want to thank the OP, and people who'd like to drop a request for the OP. Perhaps a request for new links?

If you soft-delete a topic all those people won't be able to find that topic again and will wonder about what happened to it, but if you move it to a "trash forum" they will be able to revisit it and request new links.

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Post by KevC » Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:08 am

A trash forum is just that. It's a hidden place where you removed stuff to so no one else can see it. If people had access to it, it wouldn't be a trash forum.
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Re: "Recycle bin" Board

Post by Louis7777 » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:37 am

KevC wrote:A trash forum is just that. It's a hidden place where you removed stuff to so no one else can see it. If people had access to it, it wouldn't be a trash forum.
Not necessarily hidden. It can be visible but locked for further discussions. I've seen it many times before.

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Post by KevC » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:39 am

But the idea proposal is for a trash folder so it would be hidden.
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Re: "Recycle bin" Board

Post by Louis7777 » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:53 am

I guess the OP wants it that way, but I'm telling you that it wouldn't be necessarily hidden.

And I've seen plenty of big and popular phpBB-based forums that have visible trash forums. And I can't post one here, because it's mostly warez. :D

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Re: "Recycle bin" Board

Post by D@ve » Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:19 pm

Louis7777 wrote:Not necessarily hidden. It can be visible but locked for further discussions. I've seen it many times before.
If it is not hidden than it is not a soft delete. Keeping "deleted" posts visible, would be completely non-sense.

legal questionable posts, double posts, spam etc... In the most cases it would be even counterproductive to keep deleted posts visible.

so there is no "drawback" in a soft delete...

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