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Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:43 pm
by Master_Cylinder
Why not just split the off-topic post to a new topic?

Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:38 pm
by peopleopinion
+1 for this one:
allow phpbb as a thread is a good idea: I like it.
It will be easier to follow a conversation or more than one into the same topic.
Not necessarily for off topics but even for same topic that can have more facets.
Good idea.

But just a note: IMHO I think it is a must have an admin option that allows to decide how deep can be a thread tree. Otherwise there is the risk to have too much ramifications of the same topic. So I think there is the need to have a limitation as well as nested quotes, that follows the same principle.

Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:42 pm
by peopleopinion
Master_Cylinder wrote:Why not just split the off-topic post to a new topic?
If it is a completely off topic the best choice is to split them.

But allowing threads is a good thing because topics can have more facets that can be argued in the same place, and threads are a better choice to do it.

Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:12 am
by Master_Cylinder
phpBB is not a threaded bulletin board...

Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:21 am
by peopleopinion
Master_Cylinder wrote:phpBB is not a threaded bulletin board...
Oh I see... but maybe It can evolve... a piece at time.

Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:22 am
by Master_Cylinder
peopleopinion wrote:
Master_Cylinder wrote:phpBB is not a threaded bulletin board...
Oh I see... but maybe It can evolve... a piece at time.
I'm pretty sure the developers have said that phpBB will NEVER be threaded...

Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:33 am
by peopleopinion
Master_Cylinder wrote:
peopleopinion wrote:
Master_Cylinder wrote:phpBB is not a threaded bulletin board...
Oh I see... but maybe It can evolve... a piece at time.
I'm pretty sure the developers have said that phpBB will NEVER be threaded...
OK I'm pretty sure you heard that so I don't have a response for this but a "big" pope once said: "If God had wanted man would fly, would have given us wings".

One piece a time... ;) there is no hurry

Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:35 am
by Jessica
Don't see the point in this

-1

Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:38 am
by Master_Cylinder
peopleopinion wrote:
Master_Cylinder wrote:
peopleopinion wrote:
Master_Cylinder wrote:phpBB is not a threaded bulletin board...
Oh I see... but maybe It can evolve... a piece at time.
I'm pretty sure the developers have said that phpBB will NEVER be threaded...
OK I'm pretty sure you heard that so I don't have a response for this but a "big" pope once said: "If God had wanted man would fly, would have given us wings".

One piece a time... ;) there is no hurry
Don't hold your breath... :roll:

Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:54 pm
by peopleopinion
Master_Cylinder wrote:
peopleopinion wrote:
Master_Cylinder wrote:
peopleopinion wrote:
Master_Cylinder wrote:phpBB is not a threaded bulletin board...
Oh I see... but maybe It can evolve... a piece at time.
I'm pretty sure the developers have said that phpBB will NEVER be threaded...
OK I'm pretty sure you heard that so I don't have a response for this but a "big" pope once said: "If God had wanted man would fly, would have given us wings".

One piece a time... ;) there is no hurry
Don't hold your breath... :roll:
I will not 8-)
But look at our posts: every one of us does quote of each other post to respond to. Isn't it a "some kind" of thread structure?
IMHO yes, it is.
But it is repetitive: database grow up more with a lot of quotes that do nothing more than neast and repeat what was told by the each other, complicating a lot reading of a topic. IMO the thread structure can be a real optimization because really fewer repeated and nested quotes will be necessary within a thread framework because every response to a specific post follows that in a logical order within its own ramification, but at the same time will be possible to read it in a linear way without entering into the ramifications.
Of course it could be possible to add some admin options to activate it or not and to configure such feature. Or could be allowed the user to show a topic as a thread structure or as a linear one and it will be a good option too to allow to admins to define max ramifications and the deepness of them etc.

Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:28 am
by Master_Cylinder
Threads are different...Look it up. ;)

Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:22 am
by peopleopinion
Master_Cylinder wrote:Threads are different...Look it up. ;)
This observation gives me the opportunity to clarify what I mean for thread like structure. Thanks Master_Cylinder for focussing this problem.

The following can help to understand better my point of view.

For thread I mean some kind of "directory like" structure: every post has in addition to the button for quote, another button to respond to it directly. If this new button is clicked a normal "post a replay" is created but when the reply is submitted it goes at the bottom and a little bit to the right of the post which the user is answering to. Something similar to what happens by nesting multiple quotes or nesting a subdirectory in the main one.
So for users it will be more simple to follow the main "Ariadne's thread" because digressions are hidden but with a simple click on a "Show responses to this post" button the user can read responses gave to a specific post. Of course this button appears if the main post has direct related responses only.
The advantage of this is evident: readers can read master or main topic posts without losing "Ariadne's thread", but if there is the need they can go into some specific ramification of it. Infact a topic can be formed by minor aspects that will be possible to discuss in the same place but in a some kind of "sub directory".

The actual alternative is to separate the sub aspect and create a new topic (or use quotes and nested quotes). Of course this can be a thing possible too but it is more complicated because the admin have to do it and then the admin must do a post that explicate the separation in sub topic and also he must make a link to the new topic. From the new topic the admin must link the main one... etc.
So it is evident that thread framework is more simple way to manage these situations IMHO.

Of course it will be a staff task to define max nested level and anything related at threads managment.

A further implementation can be an option that gives the opportunity to users to show on the fly the page in thread structured style or in topic lined style (the actual style to be clear).

Thanks for reading.

Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:42 am
by Master_Cylinder
Don't forget to request this as a MOD/Extension if you really want it but there's nothing wrong with splitting off the off-topic posts to a new topic.

Re: Allow sub threads for off topic conversation

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:57 am
by peopleopinion
Master_Cylinder wrote:Don't forget to request this as a MOD/Extension if you really want it but there's nothing wrong with splitting off the off-topic posts to a new topic.
Mods are sometimes updated sometime not. So this aspect can be a problem because of the constant evolution of phpbb core but mods developing sometimes get suspended. So it could not be possible to use it in future versions of phpbb core.

And anyway I repeat: it is a good idea to think at any implementation as a thing that an admin can activate or not and set up as he wishes.