phpBB in Realtime

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phpBB in Realtime

Post by Ideas Bot » Sat May 05, 2018 12:23 am

I would like phpbb to be available in real time, similar to a chat. More and more real-time forums are appearing and spoiling the masses, so that one wonders whether it makes sense to rely on asynchronous communication. Especially for people who want to create a lively community, this is a great idea.

At least, that's what I'd like to see.

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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by totallybeautiful » Sat May 05, 2018 6:14 pm

I would also be interested to know why you are against it. What would you find so bad about it that you can also see the activity in the forum and also in topics and communicate in real time?

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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by Lumpy Burgertushie » Sat May 05, 2018 7:13 pm

first, phpbb is a bulletin board, not a chat room or instant message. it was never designed to be a instant message program.
I am not current on many other bulletin board systems but I rather doubt that very many of them are going to be "realtime' as you call it.

the server load on even a medium busy board could be enormous.

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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by totallybeautiful » Sat May 05, 2018 7:24 pm

I know it's a bulletin board, but that doesn't mean you can't install it.

That's what it's all about, it's other forum software that opens up and offers more than phpbb. A real conversation within the whole forum.
phpbb can develop with you.

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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by GanstaZ » Sat May 05, 2018 7:48 pm

A real conversation is when you talk face-to-face "physically". You could use mchat extension, that should cover most of it if not all what you mentioned above.

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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by totallybeautiful » Sat May 05, 2018 9:41 pm

It's about synchronous communication, real time.

What good is the chat if the real time in the topics becomes relevant for me?

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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by Lumpy Burgertushie » Sun May 06, 2018 12:33 am

real time can only make a difference if both/all parties are online at the same time and watching the conversation.

even if it is a chat or IM that applies.

if using phpbb and relevant parties are online at the same time and you set the board to refresh every few seconds, it would essentially be "real time" just like a chat.

however, like I said above, a bulletin board is not designed to do that. it is much more resource hungry than a chat or IM software.

having said that, there is always the mchat extension for phpbb that will do what you are asking for.


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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by totallybeautiful » Sun May 06, 2018 2:39 am

Lumpy Burgertushie wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 12:33 am
real time can only make a difference if both/all parties are online at the same time and watching the conversation.
That's what it's all about, that a community can develop, where participants don't have to go off all the time, because they don't know that someone is writing an answer.

And no, the mChat does not do what I ask.

The mChat does not allow you to see that someone is writing in the topics.

And it's not that phpbb wasn't designed that way, but that it can take a step in this direction nowadays. Bulletin is from 2000, we live in 2018, the time, in which the users want to communicate in real time, because just beside the other forums, which are offered now more and more in real time, it is then difficult to keep up, because it is exactly what the people want. Even if some of them say no, but I have the feeling that they didn't even notice the development.

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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by Flerex » Sun May 06, 2018 11:28 am

What you're trying to do is completely transforming the phpBB software into something different. As it was already said, a bulletin board is not designed to be a chat and no other forum software that I'm aware of is moving in that direction. Even new forum software that are being created are not instant. And by the way, forums are not a thing of the 00's, they are still relevant in today's Internet (see Reddit, for example, the biggest forum on Earth, with more traffic than Twitter, for example).

Your proposal is not compatible with the concept of a forum. If forums were instant there wouldn't be no point on having threads, as threads were only created to have different conversations in the same container (forum, subforums) as conversations could happen in a different pace. At the end it would end up being something like... I don't know, Discord. And for that you already have Discord.

Moving in the direction you mention is, in my opinion, worthless as it won't bring any advantage to the way forums work. If you could provide a real example where this could be useful or, even better, an example of a working “live” forum, we could better understand your proposal.

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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by totallybeautiful » Sun May 06, 2018 3:18 pm

Flerex wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 11:28 am
As it was already said, a bulletin board is not designed to be a chat and no other forum software that I'm aware of is moving in that direction.
I told you phpbb can evolve with you.

You don't know any forums that run in real time? No problem:

https://www.allmystery.de/

Real time!

https://www.welli.net/forenregeln.html

Real time!

https://www.motorsport-total.com/forum/ ... e=register

Real time!

https://ms-lebensbaum.de/WP1/?page_id=20

https://ms-lebensbaum.de/WP1/?page_id=20

Real time!

So why not phpbb?

If it was not initially designed for this, it can now be taken into account.
That's why I'm putting the idea forward.
Many forums are already running like this, so capacities seem to be no problem.

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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by Flerex » Sun May 06, 2018 3:25 pm

totallybeautiful wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 3:18 pm
Flerex wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 11:28 am
As it was already said, a bulletin board is not designed to be a chat and no other forum software that I'm aware of is moving in that direction.
I told you phpbb can evolve with you.

You don't know any forums that run in real time? No problem:

https://www.allmystery.de/

Real time!

https://www.welli.net/forenregeln.html

Real time!

https://www.motorsport-total.com/forum/ ... e=register

Real time!

https://ms-lebensbaum.de/WP1/?page_id=20

https://ms-lebensbaum.de/WP1/?page_id=20

Real time!

So why not phpbb?

If it was not initially designed for this, it can now be taken into account.
That's why I'm putting the idea forward.
Many forums are already running like this, so capacities seem to be no problem.
I'm having trouble to see why they're considered live. To be honest they look like a normal forum. I'm curious about this one as it is a phpBB forum. Is that one a live forum too? If that is the case it may be using some extension that gives phpBB the functionality you're looking for and we wouldn't have to add it to the core (which is not necessary as it is not something that every forum needs).

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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by Lumpy Burgertushie » Sun May 06, 2018 3:31 pm

this would not be "evolving" in my opinion. this would be a huge step sideways to a completely different type of software than a bulletin board is supposed to be. sort of like wiping out a living , viable species and creating a new one with the same name but totally different purpose.

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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by totallybeautiful » Sun May 06, 2018 4:39 pm

Flerex wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 3:25 pm
I'm having trouble to see why they're considered live
No problem, I'll show you. (see file attachment)



So no, phpbb is not a live forum, but I would like to have the opportunity to do so, because not everyone runs a technical forum, but wants to form a large community, whereby real time would not do any harm at a technical forum.

So at least an installation selection, in which mode you want to install phpbb, would be great, so that everyone can decide how they would like their forum.
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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by Flerex » Sun May 06, 2018 4:46 pm

Well, looks like it could be perfectly done with an extension. It's not that different from a normal forum, the only special thing is that “replying to this thread” section. I think it could be implemented with ease. Try creating a thread in the Extension Request forum.

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Re: phpBB in Realtime

Post by totallybeautiful » Sun May 06, 2018 4:53 pm

If we could do it with a extension, that would be fine. The danger would be that the project could be abandoned because the developer has no time left, so I thought of a direct implementation of phpbb.

There one would then not be so dependent on the mood of an individual, but could rely far better on the maintenance of this implementation.

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