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Permission to view profile warnings

Post by Drakath » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:48 pm

I suggest adding a forum permission to see profile warnings. Currently only users that can issue warnings are able to see them as well. The only way to make them public is by editing phpBB core files which is not recommended.

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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by david63 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:14 pm

Personally I cannot see any valid reason why warnings should be made public - perhaps you could enlighten us with a "use case"
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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by Brf » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:28 pm

Currently only users that can issue warnings are able to see them as well
This is not correct. Any moderator can see warnings.

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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by Drakath » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:41 am

david63 wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:14 pm
Personally I cannot see any valid reason why warnings should be made public - perhaps you could enlighten us with a "use case"
My apologies, I should have paid more attention to the narrow minded. The use case is simple, making profile warning count public would bring more incentive for users to avoid getting them, a sort of "shame" factor comes into play. There are a number of other instances where it could be used, but they are rather specific to my own forum.

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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by david63 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:01 am

Drakath wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:41 am
I should have paid more attention to the narrow minded
Please do not make assumptions about something you have no knowledge of.
Drakath wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:41 am
making profile warning count public would bring more incentive for users to avoid getting them, a sort of "shame" factor comes into play.
Maybe, but there are two other scenarios - some would see it as "badge of honour" and try to get a warning and others would see it as a demotivation and leave the board.
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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by Drakath » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:16 am

david63 wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:01 am
Drakath wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:41 am
I should have paid more attention to the narrow minded
Please do not make assumptions about something you have no knowledge of.
Drakath wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:41 am
making profile warning count public would bring more incentive for users to avoid getting them, a sort of "shame" factor comes into play.
Maybe, but there are two other scenarios - some would see it as "badge of honour" and try to get a warning and others would see it as a demotivation and leave the board.
If somebody sees it as a "badge of honor", warnings would not work for them in either case. By seeking for more of these "badges", malicious users would eventually get themselves banned, which would only help board administration weed out such people. Regarding the demotivational factor, I am sure that since you have more knowledge than others, you are already aware of the fact that there is an option to set the expiration time of warnings. Yes, it would demotivate people and that's the idea of it - they would know better not to break the forum rules next time and have more will to behave after their warning expires.

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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by Lumpy Burgertushie » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:58 pm

I would think that having this would make people not want to be a member of your board at all. you would probably run off members that have not had a warning when they see that if they make a mistake they would be publicly shamed.

I think this is a horrible idea in principle.


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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by Drakath » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:31 pm

Lumpy Burgertushie wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:58 pm
I would think that having this would make people not want to be a member of your board at all. you would probably run off members that have not had a warning when they see that if they make a mistake they would be publicly shamed.

I think this is a horrible idea in principle.


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You can't really earn a warning by mistake, but then again that depends on the forum rules and moderators. Keep in mind that the idea here isn't to force forums to adopt public warnings, but to give the board owners the freedom to tweak their board as they see fit. If you have a forum where users get warnings for mere mistakes then you can just leave this permission untouched, it's not like these few lines of code will bloat the software.

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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by david63 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:47 pm

Drakath wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:31 pm
these few lines of code will bloat the software.
If that is the case then why don't you create a PR for the changes - believe me it will be a lot more than a "few lines of code"
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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by Drakath » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:05 pm

david63 wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:47 pm
Drakath wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:31 pm
these few lines of code will bloat the software.
If that is the case then why don't you create a PR for the changes - believe me it will be a lot more than a "few lines of code"
I would if I knew the change was welcome, but seeing how much this community hates the idea of customizability, I doubt that PR would go through and I don't want to waste my time.

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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by Mannix_ » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:25 pm

Drakath wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:05 pm
seeing how much this community hates the idea of customizability,
yep and that's why we have all those custom styles and extensions. We really hate customization around here ;)
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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by Drakath » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:01 pm

Mannix_ wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:25 pm
Drakath wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:05 pm
seeing how much this community hates the idea of customizability,
yep and that's why we have all those custom styles and extensions. We really hate customization around here ;)
I'm talking about the Core here, the way these people think they know best how to run a forum and that everyone else should conform to their views.

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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by Lumpy Burgertushie » Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:24 pm

if that was the case , this forum would not be here.

the Ideas forum was created specifically for this purpose.

the Idea you have presented is not getting much support because most people would consider it a very big privacy issue.

why would the creators of phpbb make a change to the core based on just one or two people that thought it should be there?
that is not how phpbb works. adding all different possible things to the core is way off from the basic way phpbb works.

phpbb is and always has been developed on the idea of a basic bulletin board for discussions.
anything not needed to provide that is considered an extra. hence the MODs in the earlier versions and not extensions.
also, all the custom styles contributed by users etc.

just a little FYI;

just about everybody thinks their pet idea should be in the core. unlike the hamburger slogan, you don't always get it the way you want.

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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by Drakath » Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:57 pm

Lumpy Burgertushie wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:24 pm
if that was the case , this forum would not be here.
The forum can be here, that doesn't mean some people (including ones participating in this discussion) won't be trashing topics.
Lumpy Burgertushie wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:24 pm
the Ideas forum was created specifically for this purpose.
And so far hasn't brought many results.
Lumpy Burgertushie wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:24 pm
people would consider it a very big privacy issue.
Please elaborate how this is a privacy issue.
Lumpy Burgertushie wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:24 pm
why would the creators of phpbb make a change to the core based on just one or two people that thought it should be there?
Not every person speaks out, although this issue was brought up in the past.
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:24 pm
that is not how phpbb works. adding all different possible things to the core is way off from the basic way phpbb works.
The permission system was created for a reason. The fact that warning visibility is predefined for a specific acl group goes against common sense.
Lumpy Burgertushie wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:24 pm
anything not needed to provide that is considered an extra.
Perhaps it's not needed for you, doesn't mean it's not needed for anyone.
Lumpy Burgertushie wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:24 pm
you don't always get it the way you want
Keep saying that to any improvement suggestion ever and eventually you'll end up with software that's years behind other.

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Re: Permission to view profile warnings

Post by Lumpy Burgertushie » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:07 pm

ok, you have made your suggestion for an addition to the core.

I , and others have given our opinions on your suggestion.

you have given your opinion on why you think we are wrong.

now, my suggestion is that you move over to the extension request forum and try it there.

my last opinion on this subject is that it will not be added to the core, you would have a better chance of finding someone that will create an extension for you.


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