II won't dare attempting to understand something so incomprehensibly unpunctuated!austin881 wrote:One of the members of my site said this...
How are you defining previous login? Quite frequently on the EyeTV Lounge View new posts will omit a batch of older topics that had new posts during a single login and browser session. They're usually ones I've read but sometimes there it's ones I haven't, thus my interest in a View unread posts function (more about that below). I've suspected that happens because a session timeout on the forum server, though I don't know how to determine that for sure. But there's no predictable pattern. Sometimes previously read and a few unread new topics are omitted after the previous Vnp was only an hour earlier. Other times I'll run Vpn a day later and the full list appears (previously read plus unread new items).Brf wrote:View new posts - shows topics posted in since your previous login.
But that can limited using the Display posts from previous menu at the bottom of the page. Anyway, I've found that View active topics can serve as View unread posts for me, especially when the time between visits is relatively short and/or the number of topics is small.View Active topics shows the latest 1000 topics posted in.
Seriously I do not know, since I have autologin turned on, I never login. Usually, Latest Posts for me shows new posts since I switched computers.sjk wrote:How are you defining previous login?
Thanks. My earlier comments here are relevant to part of that discussion.Eelke wrote:See this topic: http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopi ... 5#p5098145 I've included a link to a mod that will include a new posts overview.
Yes! Make mine the second vote. If nothing more, it would be a satisfactory workaround for this problem:I'd be the first to vote for replacing "New posts" with "Unread posts" in standard phpBB.
They do from the viewpoint of both possibly returning read/unread results, which I think this implies:Brf wrote:In any case, "New Posts" and "Active Topics" have nothing to do with Read-vs-Unread.
That's understood and fine, however …The fact that you have read a topic is not checked.
And that's what's not working properly for me, most obvious on the EyeTV Lounge forum I mentioned earlier.The only thing that is checked for "New Posts" is the time your previous login session was created.
Not sure exactly what you're referring to but it's been very useful to me.Eelke wrote:Well, I kind of think this is the wrong discussion to have.
That correlates with my experience.The way phpBB session management works, I think there is no way to distinguish between one long (browser) session and many short ones, especially if the browser is left idle for some time.
Right. Without a cutoff time for "new" it wouldn't make sense to view new posts.It would be no good if the new posts would remain the same list for as long as someone has logged in with the "stay logged in" function checked either. That could mean the new posts trace back for years, at one point.
Not retaining unread post status between sessions is my biggest gripe with phpBB2 (and other forum software with that irritating behavior). For people that don't understand it, I've suggested imagining that if every time they launched their email client all previously unread messages had been automatically marked as read.The functionality in phpBB2 is "broken" in that the overview is a mix between new posts and unread posts.
I'm thankful how it's mostly fixed in phpBB3 even without a true unread posts overview. The combination of View new posts (initially) and View active topics (when necessary) as a method of locating unread posts on phpBB3 forms will work well enough for now.I was surprised when I found out that the team chose to fix it one way (making it a true* "new posts" overview) instead of going the other way (making it a true "unread posts" overview), especially because the read/unread tracking in phpBB3 is much more advanced than it was in phpBB2.
What I meant was, it's not so useful to look at exactly how phpBB defines "new posts", whether or not is should be tied to session lifetime, etc. The central problem really is that "new posts" != "unread posts".sjk wrote:Not sure exactly what you're referring to but it's been very useful to me.
Yup. It's the first mod I compromised my very conservative approach to modding (which was "don't") for. For regular users, it's not such a problem. It might be considered an inconvenience, but after installing a mod to introduce proper, cross-session read-tracking in phpBB2, I found that some were actually relying on the phpBB2 behaviour and complained that the board "no longer marked their messages read automatically" (guys, the board wasn't doing anything "automatically", it was just suffering from amnesia) For moderators that would like to jump on the board for a few minutes to go through what they can, but would like to return later to finish the job, it's a downright PITA; you have to go through the entire board in one go. I too am really happy that phpBB3 comes with proper read-tracking built in. I still had to mod it, though, to give my users their "unread posts" overview backsjk wrote:For people that don't understand it, I've suggested imagining that if every time they launched their email client all previously unread messages had been automatically marked as read.
Defining "new posts" was useful to better understand why it's inferior (for some of us) to "unread posts". And it partly answered the original poster's question plus my original followup about it.Eelke wrote:What I meant was, it's not so useful to look at exactly how phpBB defines "new posts", whether or not is should be tied to session lifetime, etc. The central problem really is that "new posts" != "unread posts".
Even as a regular user I'm too well aware of that PITA with unread post tracking on several forums, though most I still care about have migrated from phpBB2 to phpBB3.For moderators that would like to jump on the board for a few minutes to go through what they can, but would like to return later to finish the job, it's a downright PITA; you have to go through the entire board in one go.
And maybe whoever's responsible will make it part of the core in some future release.I too am really happy that phpBB3 comes with proper read-tracking built in. I still had to mod it, though, to give my users their "unread posts" overview back