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This is beta 1, then there will be beta2 which has the bug fixes from the first one in it. Then maybe another beta or two before the final release. I think that's the way it's going to go anyway.
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Alright- since everyone is so adamant about stating that we should in NO way be using this version in a live environment- for those that DO choose to (of which I'm sure there are many), what is the harm?
It's not like the thing is going to turn into a pumpkin at midnight.
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Things could dramatically change and also it is a way of making people not use it in a live environment to make less support questions im guesssing. Alot of other reasons but im too tired to state them.
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TigerWolf wrote: Things could dramatically change and also it is a way of making people not use it in a live environment to make less support questions im guesssing. Alot of other reasons but im too tired to state them.




its nothing to do with with the amount of support questions, it is simply that users who go with beta 1 in a live enviroment will be using a version which is full of bugs, there are hundreds of bugs being reported. With no way of upgrading using it in a live enviroment would be silly, as they would be stuck wth the bugs :)
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Yes, but thousands of people will be using it live- because you built it and released it, regardless of the version number.
Surely there will be somebody out there creating upgrade files, even if it isn't officially advocated by the phpBB team.

"Raise your hand if you are going against the grain and running this thing live anyway...." :lol:
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Beth wrote: Yes, but thousands of people will be using it live- because you built it and released it, regardless of the version number.
Surely there will be somebody out there creating upgrade files, even if it isn't officially advocated by the phpBB team.



as with all software Beta versions are released for test purposes it is the only way to throughly test the software on multiple setups and achieve the most feedback. If users choose to use it in a live enviroment then noone can stop them, but they can not moan when they can not update, especially when there are notices about there being no updates from beta to beta. Yes you are right there maybe some users out there who will create upgrade scripts...however using such an unofficial script would probably lead to very little support here as you would be directed to the person who created the update script..... and do you think they are going to support it???
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Beth wrote: Yes, but thousands of people will be using it live- because you built it and released it, regardless of the version number.
Surely there will be somebody out there creating upgrade files, even if it isn't officially advocated by the phpBB team.

"Raise your hand if you are going against the grain and running this thing live anyway...." :lol:


There are those that have a clue what they are doing (hint: people whom code and develop software for a living) whom are quite able to use whatever Dog-food™/Alpha/Beta code and run it in a (semi-)production environment. Such people are quite able to manually (either doing it by hand, literally or write their own scripts) upgrade between each milestone product.

Generally, such tasks are non-trivial, which by extension is also out of reach from an "advanced user" in the absence of a bundled upgrade script. Thus, such persons would be "stuck" with whatever version of software they have installed, not just exposing themselves to bugs, but also to possible security issues which may come to surface.

Case in point, phpBB3 Beta1 a very long time ago had the developmental version number of "phpBB2.1.0", which for all intents and purposed little different to phpBB2.0.4, the stable line of the time. However, there are still forums running "phpBB2.1.0", unsupported CVS code which has never been uodated and thus missed all the security fixes from 2.0.4 to 2.0.21 (or indeed any fixes if they've manually kept it up to date along the 2.1.x/3.0.x line).

It has also been stated very clearly that should there be a security issue with phpBB3 Beta1, whilst it will be fixed in CVS, we will not issue a new beta just because of this. Also in the absence of an upgrade script, this will also mean you'd have to wipe the forum and clean install from scratch.
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Post by Beth »

SHS` wrote: Also in the absence of an upgrade script, this will also mean you'd have to wipe the forum and clean install from scratch.


Great points, I'm just playing devil's advocate, that's all....because the questions WILL come up sooner or later.
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SHS' you should just say there is an update script called install.php Works only if you delete your entire forum and db and start all over. :twisted:
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Rotsblok wrote: SHS' you should just say there is an update script called install.php Works only if you delete your entire forum and db and start all over. :twisted:


There is no install.php ;)
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Beth most people are not advanced users, they will not know how to handle certain situations which may arise out of using a beta version live.

Based on those users, its a very good thing that it's advised not to use it live.

But for those who are advanced users who know exactly what they are doing and how to fix any anomalies which arise, can manually upgrade etc, sure they can go ahead and do whatever they wish. Have fun, go wild :) (just dont ask for help here :p)
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Kevin Clark wrote: This is beta 1, then there will be beta2 which has the bug fixes from the first one in it. Then maybe another beta or two before the final release. I think that's the way it's going to go anyway.


While you could be right, they could go straight from Beta1 to RC1...no one knows yet...or if they do they aren't telling until it's announced to the public. :?
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Beth wrote: Why shouldn't we be using it in a live environment?
It works as it sits, and as long as mod developers begin work on hacking it up, what's the difference?

I can think of several reasons:
-The BETA still has bugs... if you aren't skilled PHP and *SQL and you get an error, don't run crying to us because all your users and posts have been deleted because a dumb mistake and need all the posts and users back because it's a live forum.
-The Gold version will have a nice new shiny skin for us... from what I've heard from people who have heard from people who have heard from people who have seen it, it's really nice!
-There is another difference: There is no upgrade path. By using it in a live environment, you are exposing it to security holes with no way up upgrading to a secure version without losing all posts and users. An SQL backup can only do so much...and when (yes WHEN) they change the sql structure to stop bugs, your sql backup will do very little.

That's just three of all of the reasons. ;) Need more?
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