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Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:16 pm
by RickW59
Using PHP 3.2.2
When I try to send a private message it's staying in the outbox. I've checked all permissions and settings and they are correct. Any ideas ?
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Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:26 pm
by KevC
That's normal. It stays there until it's been read (allowing you time to edit or delete it beforehand). Once read it moves to the sent messages list.

Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:28 pm
by RickW59
Thank you ! That's a big ole DUH ! On my part.... ;)

Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:24 am
by TearAByte
This is a terrible implementation. “Outbox” by definition means it’s “going out”, which to most people means, “not yet out” - and the fact that the message is not in the “sent” folder, leads to more people correctly thinking “not yet sent” - just like with every email program in the world that uses the same INBOX/OUTBOX/SENT nomenclature.

Where do we vote to have this changed???

At a minimum a change in the wording would reduce confusion. Allowing us to turn off this “feature” would be the perfect fix.

Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:32 am
by Lumpy Burgertushie
apparently the hunreds of thousands of phpbb users for the last 15+ years have not had a hard time understanding how it works.

you can make a request in the "ideas" section: https://www.phpbb.com/ideas/

robert

Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:51 am
by david63
TearAByte wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:24 am
Where do we vote to have this changed???
I believe that one of the projects in GSOC is to rework the PM system - https://area51.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopi ... 81&t=57021

Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:10 am
by tojag
TearAByte wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:24 am
This is a terrible implementation. [...]
No. This is the best implementation. In a traditional e-mail system, the message leaves the server and then leaves the outbox, it's different here. Much better. Without additional things, the sender knows that the recipient has read the message. As long as the message is in the outbox, the sender knows that the recipient has not read it, so he can change it or cancel it as KevC wrote. Such a good solution is possible because PM does not leave the server. I do not know exactly the mechanism, but probably only the attribute of belonging to a particular mailbox changes.

Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:09 pm
by Brf
Brf wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:30 pm
You are welcome to change the names of the folders of they confuse you. Simply change the Outbox to Unread, and the Sent box to Read.

Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:46 pm
by stevemaury
TearAByte wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:24 am
This is a terrible implementation. “Outbox” by definition means it’s “going out”, which to most people means, “not yet out” - and the fact that the message is not in the “sent” folder, leads to more people correctly thinking “not yet sent” - just like with every email program in the world that uses the same INBOX/OUTBOX/SENT nomenclature.

Where do we vote to have this changed???

At a minimum a change in the wording would reduce confusion. Allowing us to turn off this “feature” would be the perfect fix.
This is exactly how phpBB implements it. Outbox = "going out; not yet sent". Sentbox = "Sent". So I don't know what you are saying.

Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:57 pm
by Brf
stevemaury wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:46 pm
This is exactly how phpBB implements it. Outbox = "going out; not yet sent". Sentbox = "Sent". So I don't know what you are saying.
It is not.
PMs are never "Sent".

The "Outbox" is messages that have not been read, while the "Sent" is ones that have been read.
In most Email systems, the "Sent" box includes unread ones, as well as read ones.

Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:36 pm
by thecoalman
To clarify something messages in the sentbox do not indicate the message itself has been opened, that only indicates the recipient has opened their inbox. There is no way I'm aware of to know if any specific message has been read.

Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:29 pm
by Dan Stylez
It's one of those things, if someone is new to phpBB the chances are they won't understand it or will be confused by it as most people are used to Whatsapps, email and things like that where once you've hit the send button, you can't go and edit it etc.

Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:53 pm
by stevemaury
Brf wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:57 pm
stevemaury wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:46 pm
This is exactly how phpBB implements it. Outbox = "going out; not yet sent". Sentbox = "Sent". So I don't know what you are saying.
It is not.
PMs are never "Sent".

The "Outbox" is messages that have not been read, while the "Sent" is ones that have been read.
In most Email systems, the "Sent" box includes unread ones, as well as read ones.
Yes, I get that. But "sent" in the sense that the recipient is aware of the message. The fact that it remains on the server is not really functionally relevant.

Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:56 pm
by stevemaury
thecoalman wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:36 pm
To clarify something messages in the sentbox do not indicate the message itself has been opened, that only indicates the recipient has opened their inbox. There is no way I'm aware of to know if any specific message has been read.
Well, yes, but it does indicate that the message has been displayed to the recipient and is in their Inbox.

Re: Private Messages staying in outbox

Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:08 pm
by Brf
stevemaury wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:53 pm
But "sent" in the sense that the recipient is aware of the message.
Actually, when the recipient is notified, the message is still in the Outbox. I was thinking is stayed in the Outbox until the recipient actually opened the PM, but thecoalman is saying that is not true. I just tested it, and it is true the message moves to "Sent" when the recipient opens their Inbox.