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Does the Internet need a minimum age

Post by md16185 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:58 am

I think all these COPPA things, and other minimum age "qualifications" if you will, defeat "net neutrality"..
Instead of saying ya gotta be 12-13 to use a computer, why not teach people that age how to script and
code, set up a forum, do some networking and socializing..

I think the Internet should be pruned regularly and all of the ridiculous spam, or fake information should
be removed.. Alot of people, even in my family, assume that the Internet is a toy, instead of a new
medium, and form of communication...

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Re: Does the Internet need a minimum age

Post by lurttinen » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:47 am

That is a fundamental problem of the internet. It is entertainment and people treat it as such.
Common people do not take threats seriously. For example recent school attacks here in Finland were announced in the net prior, but no one gave a damn.
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Post by md16185 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:15 am

Here the problem is like 40 year old guys looking for 12 year old boys... They need smacked around.

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Post by stickerboy » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:33 am

md16185 wrote:Here the problem is like 40 year old guys looking for 12 year old boys... They need smacked around.
That problem is global.

I agree on teaching kids how to use a PC, in fact most of the schools in the UK have pretty much already got the ball rolling on that. Computers provide a critical role in the way we teach our kids today. But it's getting kids to listen that is the problem more than anything else.
We have adverts, magazines, all sorts of publications on the matter:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/help/safesurfing/
http://www.safechildren-cios.co.uk/inde ... leid=28509
If people don't want to read them, take their advice, whatever, then they most likely won't ;)
md16185 wrote:I think the Internet should be pruned regularly and all of the ridiculous spam, or fake information should be removed..
Already happening. there are hundereds of companies out there workinmg to clean up spam and remove websites, but spammers advance just as we do in both effiency and technology. i don't know if you caught this news recently?
http://news.theage.com.au/technology/us ... -50sa.html

Will we maybe win one day? Who knows. I have a feeling things like this will keep happening.
After all, what are all these companies going to do one there's no spam and viruses to clean up?
Viruses are a great excuse if you forgot to do your homework :P
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Re: Does the Internet need a minimum age

Post by andr74 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:00 am

Internet and PC is a part of our modern life. And childrens also are take part in this life. Now they ready to use PC before staring to read. Also they used mobile phones. It's also part of the modern life

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Re: Does the Internet need a minimum age

Post by god0fgod » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:17 pm

The internet has services for everyone. There are parts of the world wide web that of-course aren't suitable for young children but the same can be said for so many other things. There are places that are specific to young children audiences.

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Re: Does the Internet need a minimum age

Post by Lumpy Burgertushie » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:19 pm

It is naive to think that the net can be controlled/policed in any meaningful way. Yes , there are many hateful/harmful sites out there. However, it is not up to government or any single person to try and protect us from it.

That is up to us. If you are responsible for children, then it is up to you to decide what they can and can not access online or anywhere else.

It is up to you , to teach those children right and wrong when they are young so that they make correct decisions later in life.

As adults, we have the right to decide for ourselves what we do and do not want to experience in this life. ( at least here in the US anyway ).
It is not my responsibility to protect you from scams/spam/porno/whatever and it is not your responsibility to protect me from any of it.

We all get to make those choices for ourselves and that is as it should be.

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Re: Does the Internet need a minimum age

Post by god0fgod » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:47 pm

Governments do have a duty to remove illegal websites including those containing malware (But then governments have the duty to block out Windows for that :D).

But of-course parents have the responsibilty of controlling internet usage for their children. Children have the responsibilty of browsing the internet respectively.

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Re: Does the Internet need a minimum age

Post by Lumpy Burgertushie » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:46 pm

god0fgod wrote:Governments do have a duty to remove illegal websites including those containing malware (But then governments have the duty to block out Windows for that :D).

But of-course parents have the responsibilty of controlling internet usage for their children. Children have the responsibilty of browsing the internet respectively.
governments have the duty to do ONLY what their laws allow and require them to do.

whether that includes removing "illegal" websites or not depends on lots of things.

for one; is the website "illegal"? and who says it is?

if so, then is there a law that allows or requires them to remove it?

for malware:

who decides what "malware" is?
then, is there a law against it?
if so, is there a law against creating a site or software that includes it?
if so, what law enforcement agency is allowed/required to do something about it?
and what are they allowed/required to do about it?

and finally, can any of this realistically be enforced by parents or governments anywhere, much less world wide?

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Re: Does the Internet need a minimum age

Post by dsavi » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:30 pm

lurttinen wrote:That is a fundamental problem of the internet. It is entertainment and people treat it as such.
Common people do not take threats seriously. For example recent school attacks here in Finland were announced in the net prior, but no one gave a damn.
Sure,the police did. He was arrested on the Monday before and interrogated, but they let him out because they couldn't come up with enough evidence against him.

Don't believe the crap about "learning to use a computer" at school. We haven't done anything more than about half an hour on Word. And then when you go to a technical school you get a "Computer driver's license" that basically means you have a fundamental grasp of how to use MS Office and IE. I wish they'd have some real computer classes in high school.

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Re: Does the Internet need a minimum age

Post by A_O_C » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:33 pm

here in the US (at least the high school i attended), you were able to sign up for computer classes. this is what got me into network administration.

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Re: Does the Internet need a minimum age

Post by amdoolittle » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:46 pm

Same here, I was able to take CCNA 1 through 4, which was actually a college course being taught in the high school I went to for college credit as well as high school elective credit (and prepped you for CCNA certification). I also took Net+ and A+ classes, with the A+ course culminating in an A+ certification from CompTIA (after certification testing, of course). Several programming courses were also made available.

Of course the vast majority of high school populations don't participate in these courses, so it really can't be used as a solid example of "learning to use a computer in school". It's more for those already interested on a technical level.

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Re: Does the Internet need a minimum age

Post by god0fgod » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:52 pm

Lumpy Burgertushie wrote:
god0fgod wrote:Governments do have a duty to remove illegal websites including those containing malware (But then governments have the duty to block out Windows for that :D).

But of-course parents have the responsibilty of controlling internet usage for their children. Children have the responsibilty of browsing the internet respectively.
for malware:

who decides what "malware" is?
then, is there a law against it?
if so, is there a law against creating a site or software that includes it?
if so, what law enforcement agency is allowed/required to do something about it?
and what are they allowed/required to do about it?
Well I meant Govermnets have to do it otherwise they fail at being decent. And of-course malware is illegal and wrong and I do think it should be removed. How hard can it be? Hard? Then make it easy. As long as all the internet companies (ISPs and web hosts and such) co-operate it shouldn't be hard. And it should definitely be simple to block the websites (if server is located in foriegn and possibly very courupt then shutting down servers is a stupid option). But then we have much bigger issues than malware including terrorist websites, phishing websites, child pornography etc.

Are governments doing things about problems on the internet? Yes, but perhaps not enough. Especially relating to internet fraud which has been growing and has cost people a lot of money.

Children have a right use to the internet and only parental moderation can protect them. Simple things like Google's safesearch could simply be enough.

And as for the 13 age limit on forums, it makes no sense. Children could use message boards as a good form of communication and information.

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Re: Does the Internet need a minimum age

Post by Lumpy Burgertushie » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:42 pm

people have to be realistic.

there is no possible way to "police" the internet in the US or elsewhere.

even in china where the government thinks they control the net, people manage to get around their controls quite easily.

most children know much more about computers than the adults do these days, so any kind of block or safesearch type of thing is completely useless.


trying to put age requirements is also a waste of time.

for instance, the coppa thing in phpbb is a complete waste of time.
there is nothing to keep a 10 year old from clicking the I agree and am over 13 button when registering.
and there is no way to check.

this is the same at any website, anywhere in the world.

so, we can try to make it safer for all , but in the end, people just have to get over it and get on with it.

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Re: Does the Internet need a minimum age

Post by Tripp » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:21 pm

I completely agree with Lumpy.

Today, I was in a Myspace chatroom through their IM client.(Don't ask, I was extremely bored). It was then I realized how many ignorant pricks are online and as much as I hate it...but whos to say they can't use the internet or have restrictions imposed on them because they act like retards.

Like Lumpy said, kids are smart these days. I started using computers and what not when I was 12, and computers were just becoming a big part of life. I remember my friend used to look at porn and his dad busted him by checking the history. He soon discovered the clear history button. At school, I was one of the few technical kids but even the ones who hardly know much about computers know how to go to proxy sites to bypass filters and what not. Also, when I was younger, I easily knew how to set my birth date to 1980 so it would say I was 18 so I could access certain sites.

Point is, there's no way to stop these kinds of things. Also, about the malware sites. Who's to say a legit user had a site and it was hacked and put ads and malware on it or whatever. Are you going to take his site for something he didn't do. I can imagine your response would be he shouldn't have let it happen but it does happen, and you can't just take down whatever site you deem inappropriate.

And like Lumpy said, it's so unrealistic to do any of the stuff mentioned that it's not even funny. Do you have any idea how much money and resources it would take to make the internet a "safer" place? Have fun paying higher taxes for that one.

Let's look at the RIAA. When they believe someone is pirating music, they go to the ISP and demand the users details are handed over which most of the time they won't unless a court order is shown and even then, they don't like to. Why? That's a valuable customer to them. Just like if you had some sort of business and someone came to you demanding a workers details because they've been accused of whatever, I don't think you'd want to hand them over just like that. The reason it's so hard is because you need proof and evidence. Just because someone has music on their computer doesn't mean they were intentionally sharing it. Just because a site has bad ads or malware or whatever doesn't mean they were intentionally trying to hurt people.

Also, if you let the government police the internet, I feel that would be a huge step towards a communism type world.

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