ToonArmy wrote: Techie-Micheal wrote: ToonArmy wrote:
Techie-Micheal wrote:Taking a movie/cd/software package/whatever that you didn't pay for isn't stealing?
Taking it off the shelves and walking off with it from a store is stealing, downloading a copy is copyright infringement. Different crimes, different punishments. Ticks me off when people confuse the two.
I'm not confusing anything. Yes, it is copyright infringement, but I still equate it to stealing.
It wasn't yours, you didn't pay for it, but you still took it.
It doesn't have the same effect as stealing. Stealing deprives somebody of physical property. If you duplicate their copyrighted material they have not lost any property, just lost revenue from a license fee. The differentiation doesn't make it any less wrong.
Saying they equate to the same thing, somebody looses money. It is a bit like saying murder and manslaughter are the same thing, in the end somebody dies right?
Anyhow I'll leave it at that.
I'll post my disagreement and then we'll drop it. This is why I equate copyright infringement with stealing:
- You see something you like
- You either pay for it or take it
- If you are in the store, you pull it off the shelves and pay for it or run
- If you are online, you either go to the order form or you download illegally
In both cases of stealing, you knew that what you were doing was wrong, you knew you didn't have a license for it, but you did it anyway. Manslaughter and murder are different, because in manslaughter you don't necessarily choose certain actions, in murder you do. In copyright infringement, you are in fully knowledge of your choices, and you take something without access. Your intent is the same regardless of whether or not you are in the store or online; you don't want to pay for something.