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I can definitely say I am very glad I wasn't born in Australia and don't have to live there. :P

http://www.smh.com.au/news/home/technol ... 87635.html

If you host a site and any of the links put in a banned list by Australian Communications on your website you'll get an $11,000 fine.

TBH, if I lived in Australia, right about now I'd be looking at building bots to spam any websites hosted by the people in Australia Communications with tons of links from their banned list. :mrgreen:
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So you could host a forum in Australia, where bandwidth is hugely expensive and you risk a $11,000 fine, or you could host it in the USA where it's cheap and censor-free or NZ where it's low-latency and censor-free.

I'm sure the Australian webhosting industry is thrilled.
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The host of the largest Australian ISP discussion forum, Whirlpool, was fined $11,000 because their users were posting them.

I don't think it will go ahead, too many users are already complaining.

Reminds me of the internet censorship in China. Makes you think where democracy has gone as well.
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I think the censorship in internet is a bad thing. Internet is free and international.
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andr74 wrote:I think the censorship in internet is a bad thing. Internet is free and international.
You would be happy to see your kid surfing hard porn or seeing you and your spouse having sex in youtube or some other video hosting service?

Child pornography would be Ok to you and so would be all phishing/scam sites going after your bank account and identity.

You would probably be thrilled about the kid next door building a bomb from the instructions found on the net and testing it on your house...

I really do not think all censorship is bad. I really do not want to see all the ill shit that is out there...
However, what Australia is doing is just insane. I might understand if it would apply to sites having a moderation queue for their posts.
Currently, according to Australian laws you may be committig crimes when you are tucked in your bed sleeping and not seeing what your users are doing.
Barking the wrong tree seems to be common these days...
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lurttinen wrote:
andr74 wrote:I think the censorship in internet is a bad thing. Internet is free and international.
You would be happy to see your kid surfing hard porn or seeing you and your spouse having sex in youtube or some other video hosting service?
For the former, you can easily install internet filtering software on your own computer. For the second, Youtube can take down the video (although why was there a situation where a video was taken, and was put on the internet?)
Child pornography would be Ok to you and so would be all phishing/scam sites going after your bank account and identity.
No, but given that those two are illegal would it not be easier and better for everyone if authorities took down the servers hosting them?
You would probably be thrilled about the kid next door building a bomb from the instructions found on the net and testing it on your house...
Again, no, but there are other questions to ask. Where are his parents, why are they not involved in, you know, making sure their kid doesn't do stupid shit?

Yes, there are examples of where censorship might be fine, for example the classification of media and the restriction of its sale to 18+ year olds. But banning stuff never works. Ever, time and time again we have seen how efforts to ban something have been completely and utterly ineffective.

For the Australian authorities (and swedish, thai, finnish, norwegian etc) to ban a site, they would have to know that its content was illegal. But why are they not informing the likes of interpol and actually getting the sites shut down? If the Australians want families to block access to R18 sites, why not simply distribute interner filtering software free of charge? If those two very simple things were done, then all the situations lurttinen posted and any others would be dealt with, without any downsides to other internet users who do not wish to have their internet filtered.
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Censorship for everyone is just plain wrong. I don't really care what it is, even if what they are trying to access is illegal.

If you don't want your kids seeing porn then YOU find some software to block porn on the computer they use.
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lurttinen wrote:You would be happy to see your kid surfing hard porn or ...
I would be equally unhappy if the decision what my kid gets to see or not is made by a faceless government official, because one can never be sure of their moral standards. Case in point.

I baffles me to see how easily people are willing to surrender their parenting responsibilities to the government.
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And news of the day, the Australian Censorship site was hacked:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/0 ... eface.html
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That's funny and they deserve it. Filtering/censoring the internet is useless.
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EXreaction wrote:And news of the day, the Australian Censorship site was hacked:

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/0 ... eface.html
It doesn't surprise me very much. The government are a bunch of idiots, they would have hired the cheapest developers possible to do the job.

Looks like the site is down now. I hope they give up.
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When Tim Berners-Lee first created the World Wide Web, he did not get it patented because he thought that it should be fully available to everyone. The Internet was meant to be free and uncensored. If sites are illegal, shut them down, but don't take away the freedom introduced by the Internet.

That's my view on this subject.
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besides the fact that trying to censor the net in the US or any other free society would never work, I agree that people have to be responsible for their own actions. I also agree that parents have to be responsible for controlling their children and what they can and can not do. I also agree that anyone over the age of 14 or so, should be held responsible for thier own actions as well.

If a website is doing something illegal then the country that has control has the responsibility to enforce their laws accordingly.

I do NOT agree that any government needs to protect me from myself or tell me what I can and can not see/hear, etc. as long as it is legal.


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The last party that was in power in Australia freely distributed software so that people could optionally have their internet censored. It doesn't make any sense why they stopped doing this and made it compulsory.
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Hmm.. I wonder if google.com.au get's into problems.. :?:
Not exactly sure what the blocklist is...
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