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Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:11 pm
by GanjaGarden
Please do not post any spam, unintelligent ramblings, propaganda, or general unsupported yellings.

I'll start it off

PROS;
-Drugs are not a legal problem, they're a health issue and should be treated as such
-The war on drugs is expensive
-The war on drugs ruins families of ordinary people
-GDP would increase
-Hemp would finally be legal and we would have a sustainable source of food, fiber, fuel, medicine, etc
-There would be less money for criminal organizations
-The mexican drug cartels would have less business and therefore kill less people
-Legalizing drugs DOES NOT lead to increased demand for them. Think about it: is the reason you don't do Meth because it's illegal or because you know it's bad for you?
-Marijuana related deaths are 0 (or close to it) while tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, tylenol etc. are huge!
-Prohibition simply doesn't work... it has no benefits other than making some people rich at the expense of taxpayers

CONS;
-Private prison owners wouldn't make as much money off of non-violent "criminals"
-Cotton and Forestry industries would suffer because their campaign against hemp through the demonization of marijuana would fall through.


Please add your own, if you have any legitimate Cons I would love to see them.

Peace,
-GG

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:57 pm
by Elias
Government will never allow it due to many criminal groups that won't allow them to ;)

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:20 am
by Anon
I'm going to have to say yes, but only because other drugs (tobacco and alcohol) are more harmful and addictive
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Of course this also has potential flow on effects on LSD & ecstasy among others, but when considered from a scientific point of view I really see no reason why we should continue to hand marijuana distribution to organised crime rather than having it controlled and regulated, a la alcohol.

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:31 am
by EXreaction
EY wrote:Government will never allow it due to many criminal groups that won't allow them to ;)
Why won't they allow the government to legalize it? Are you suggesting that these criminal groups bribe government workers or something?

Drug related crime alone is good reason to legalize it (look at what prohibition and it's repeal did to the Mafia).

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:29 am
by Green Light
As for forestry loosing it's market, they could just switch to growing hemp, they would make more money and cultivate quicker and more.
I agree with Anon.. MJ, barely has a dependence, unlike the legal alcohol and cigs..
Crime will go down, economy would benefit, and yeah no more drug war.. well basically against MJ, which is what is mainly smuggled..

DON'T FORGET THE BIGGEST BENEFIT, we could all chill if we haven't already. Which is great in this economic time.. :mrgreen:

I also don't think it should be entirely legal, I think we should just keep it as medical but for all states.. and also It would be nice if Florida had laws like New York..
It would be really nice if all the states had the same laws..

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:35 am
by GanjaGarden
EXreaction wrote:Why won't they allow the government to legalize it? Are you suggesting that these criminal groups bribe government workers or something?
I'm pretty sure the private penetentiaries who make bank off holding marijuana users at the expense of the taxpayers are telling politicians to keep it illegal when they hand them their cut ... I mean campaign contributions ;)

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:14 am
by soxie
Yes, of course. I'm for the legalization of all drugs for personal use but especially marijuana and, luckily, I live in a state where the tide began turning during the 08 election.

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:18 pm
by Elias
EXreaction wrote:
EY wrote:Government will never allow it due to many criminal groups that won't allow them to ;)
Why won't they allow the government to legalize it? Are you suggesting that these criminal groups bribe government workers or something?

Drug related crime alone is good reason to legalize it (look at what prohibition and it's repeal did to the Mafia).
Because these big groups make money out of it.

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:45 pm
by Badkat
Wow! What a discussion. I love it!

Here's my .02 cents. Yes. I think it should be legalized. My reasons are this........
1)Marijuana is not harmful. Smoking cigs and drinking are more harmful than pot. And those arent my words. They teach this in health class at any college level and in some instances High School. In fact cigarretes and alcohol are considered to be a "drug". But yet marijuana is illegal, and tobaco and alcohol are legal. And unlike other drugs, there is only one way to use marijuana. You cant inject it, you cant snort it, you cant take it as a pill. Marijuana gets smoked. That's it! Just like cigs and cigars, which are both legal.

2)The legalization process is this: Will the city, states and government make more money off the selling of it, rather than the arresting of it. Right now even the small cities and towns are reaping the rewards of it being illegal. A cop rights you a possession fine, you go to court, pay your fine, and off you go. This happens in alot for towns (just go to traffic court one day and observe how many possession charges there are and what the out come is), and for the most part it is a slap on the wrist for possesing marijuana, pay your fine, and away you go.This generates alot of money for cities and towns. Now if marijuana is legal, all these towns will lose that marijuana fine(s) revenue, which of course they dont want to lose because there greedy :roll: . Now how about the big arrests, the distribution arrests. City and state makes a ton of money off of this, from the bail, the lawyers, and so on.

3)Legalized: The obvious reason for most. THE TAXATION! If legalized, it will be taxed just like tobacco and alcohol, and all city, state and governments will make a small, (correction) LARGE fortune from selling over priced, high taxed weed. Thus the government becomes our drug dealer, lol! And I pretty much guarantee the price of marijuana if legalized will be much more expensive than it is now on the street.

Moral of the story: If you want marijuana legal, quit paying your possesion fines so the city and states have no choice but to legalize it to generate revenue :D

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 7:58 pm
by Elias
Badkat wrote:Yes. I think it should be legalized.
I agree with you on this.
Badkat wrote:And unlike other drugs, there is only one way to use marijuana. You cant inject it, you cant snort it, you cant take it as a pill.
Do not forget that it can be mixed with other drugs to give an even stronger drug.
Badkat wrote: A cop rights you a possession fine, you go to court, pay your fine, and off you go.
I cannot fully agree with you on this one.
Depending how much you get caught with, you can be in big trouble ;)

Thanks

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:27 pm
by RMcGirr83
Badkat wrote:And unlike other drugs, there is only one way to use marijuana. You cant inject it, you cant snort it, you cant take it as a pill.
You can ingest it (in tea or brownie form) or so I have heard.

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:11 am
by jbones
As if not enough lives are ruined and people die every year for the sake of losers who insist on drinking or doping to stupidity. Now you want us to legally add to it dope smokers -- smart; did ya'll actually graduate from the sixth grade or did you just stop going. You know the world has gone to crap when so many have to put themselves out of their minds in order to entertain themselves. What a fricken shame, waste of brain cells, and lives. :roll:

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:14 am
by Anon
jbones wrote:As if not enough lives are ruined and people die every year for the sake of losers who insist on drinking or doping to stupidity. Now you want us to legally add to it dope smokers -- smart; did ya'll actually graduate from the sixth grade or did you just stop going. You know the world has gone to crap when so many have to put themselves out of their minds in order to entertain themselves. What a fricken shame, waste of brain cells, and lives. :roll:
I'm not entirely sure of the point you're trying to make. We should not allow any regulation of drugs, nor provide any safety nets [like we do for alcohol and tobacco]... why exactly?

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:20 am
by Badkat
jbones wrote:As if not enough lives are ruined and people die every year for the sake of losers who insist on drinking or doping to stupidity. Now you want us to legally add to it dope smokers -- smart; did ya'll actually graduate from the sixth grade or did you just stop going. You know the world has gone to crap when so many have to put themselves out of their minds in order to entertain themselves. What a fricken shame, waste of brain cells, and lives. :roll:
Thus the reason this is called a debate. I love it! And to the above poster who reminded me marijuana can be injested.............forgot about that one :oops: . Anyways, I personally believe in pro choice. Just because marijuana is legal (if it were to happen), does not mean you have to smoke it. Besides, I also believe this legalization could be a huge economy booster. White Castle and Dunkin' Donut franchise owners everywhere would reap the rewards of record sales! LOL!

Re: Should Marijuana be Entirely Legal?

Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:20 am
by jbones
Badkat wrote:Thus the reason this is called a debate. I love it! And to the above poster who reminded me marijuana can be injested.............forgot about that one :oops: .
Uh... yeah
Badkat wrote:Anyways, I personally believe in pro choice. Just because marijuana is legal (if it were to happen), does not mean you have to smoke it. Besides, I also believe this legalization could be a huge economy booster. White Castle and Dunkin' Donut franchise owners everywhere would reap the rewards of record sales! LOL!
Not on my agenda. It always comes down to choice legal or not. Still, I suspect if you legalize it - more will come, just like the end of prohibition did for booze. And I don't know about you, but I've seen enough families wrecked, lives ruined and deaths from dope and alcohol. Pro choice - funny, they all had the same sentiments; well, not now.

"They will just get it anyway" or "It will be great for the economy"– is like cutting your nose off to despise your face. Might as well open the doors to your house and invite a burglar in - after all; if they want in that bad, they will get in. Or perhaps just give that gun to your six year old- he'll just find it one day anyway. Perhaps we can just leave it to pro choice.

Dope and alcohol, cheese burgers - you must have the munchies. :lol: