VSE wrote:Well, look at it this way. The United States can not afford to lie about the death of the most notorious and most wanted terrorist of all time.
He could easily release a new date stamped video or make some kind of public appearance if he were still alive.
And then what would the US say or do?
No, the US could not go on record with this news unless it were absolutely true.
He has met his demise.
Many us goverments have lied and its been proven many many times, im sure even you now know there was no dangerous weapons in Iraq to threaten us or any other nation. That was a lie, one they didnt get away with. History tells us that most goverments will lie to get there message across. Why would this time around be any diffrent ? Those people in the us and around the world, that killed around 650K civilians in Iraq walk free to this day, why are they not arrested ? lets take a irl example of this. If i run down a family and kill there two kids, and get before a judge and say "Im sorry it was a mistake" I still get put in jail. These guys made millions and got away. Justice ??
Regarding his death.
The house he lived in was a 5 million dollar house surrunded by 10 bucks shags. The mainstream press in my country told us that "people" on the internet had been talking about this house for a long time, images posted. Because it stuck out in its area.
Why would he be living there perm ? Only 2 hours away from the pakistan capital, why would he be a sitting duck for this long, why not move around all the time like everybody thought he did. They say it was build for him 5 years ago. Why didnt ANY US intellegence service know of this ? The press just told me today that there had been chatting about it on the net for years.
And why am i hearing this in the mainstream press (reuters) within 24 hours of his "supposed" death, alot of info on such a shart time isnt it ? (OT, Oswalds death was announced in asia before he was actually caught by the police in the us, meaing the press will print what they are told, no questions asked)
Do you know what justice is and how the justice system works in countries that are considered Democratic ?
Well let me tell you. First off anybody that is not convicted in a court of law is by definition innocent. When we got that ground rule down, lets move on. Osama bin laden have not been before a judge, he was hunted down and killed. No evidence was presented in his defense because he was killed before any trials could start.
Even the nazi criminals after WW2 got a trial if they didnt kill themself first. Bin laden killed 4000 people according to usa or around that. Nazies close to 20mio. Why is bin laden so special, Why is the dudes in that us run cuban prison so special why does normal justice not apply to them ?
The whole thing with "Dead or alive" Is a thing of the past if you consider your country to be truely democratic. Why wouldnt you get the accused side of the story, maybe it could open up a few more options for any other trials.
Using the excuse that he was dropped in the ocean to prevent any supporters visiting his grave is just stupid, How many bin laden supports would travel to the us from the middle east to visit his grave. And if he had arrived in the us, he could just have been burned at a unknown location. That way no grave to visit.
He should have been brought to a non allied country in europe for id confirmation, so all the allies and the us could come in and check it was true, it would only have taken a few days, the us could then do what ever they want with it. (What do you think happend with him before he died, tortured sound about right)
In the western world we preach democracy, we invade foreign countries that are no danger to us,tell them that our ways are perfect for them. Why cant we practice what we preach ? The way we,as a global community have handled this "terror" problem and yes i use the "" because its really such a small problem, our response to this small threat have been overwhelming, around 750K civilians or more have been killed, politicians have made millions personally, hate have grown around the western world, we are scared, demoralised in general compared to before 911 and war cant seem to stop, our soldiers crave it like a drug, putting on "Born in the usa" Before rolling into a village occupied with inferior firepower and killing 100s civilians in 15 mins.
Is it really worth it ? Does it justify killing around 750K mio civilians over the past 10 years. Not in my book, i count lives 1:1, im not sure what measurement system the military is using before the revenge is total. Even those who claim that 750K is unrealistic, then try to cut that in half, does it look any better now ?
rahber wrote:So many questions yet to be answered:: Why not take Bin Laden alive? Why bury him secretly at sea with no independent confirmation? What information did Bid Laden possess that killing him was the desired option? Why go after him now, after invading two countries and killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people (including allied soldiers)? Imagine if they spent the same time, effort, and money in finding Bin Laden right away as they did in invading and occupying Iraq or Afghanistan? They would have found him in a couple of weeks.
There you have it, Ask why, its one little word, why are alot of people so affraid to use it.