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Re: phpBB is dead ... ?

Post by DavidIQ » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:00 pm

Talk19Zehn wrote: :?: Tragically, I believe that phpBB does not continuously record details and desires in the new software generation, but rather realizes its own concepts, which are always a change in the schedule, and that phpBB may not be desired by the phpBB site operators. There is perhaps a lack of flexibility at this moment. I do not know.
This is absolutely not true. We had a way to share ideas and vote for them through phpBB Ideas a few years back. Unfortunately this system could not work with 3.1 and needed almost a complete rewrite so it's been offline for a while. That will be corrected soon though and it will be back online. This does not mean we don't also work on our own concepts and ideas, but to say we have a deaf ear to the community's wishes is overreaching a bit.

The other thing we did was to create the official Extensions Development Team who has set up polls for the community to vote on extensions they would like to see. This has produced a number of released extensions as well as a number of other extensions that are still under development. This has brought about various improvements to the extensions system in the core which then benefits the rest of the community. So yes we are listening to the community and their requests.

The most likely scenario for the future is to create features through extensions instead of bloating the core. That is really where we want to go with phpBB: light core that is highly customizable through easy to install extensions.
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Re: phpBB is dead ... ?

Post by Talk19Zehn » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:15 pm

Hi DavidIQ, unfortunately you misunderstood my positive message.

==> phpBB is dead ... ?

To encourage and to look forward is the goal. And phpBB-ideas https://www.phpbb.com/ideas/
took start in 2013 and is so long available ---- for a long time - circa since May 2015.

https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?p=14389496#p14389496

Expectant greetings and the best for phpBB!


*** ;)
https://www.phpbb.de/community/viewtopic.php?p=1305697#p1305697
https://www.phpbb.de/community/viewtopic.php?p=1338825#p1338825

Edit:
Your linked topic is not equal to output the same of user requirements --> https://www.phpbb.com/ideas/
... ;)
BTW: I have been working with phpBB for a long time and I have been following the development at least since 2.0.

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Re: phpBB is dead ... ?

Post by DavidIQ » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:59 am

Talk19Zehn wrote:Hi DavidIQ, unfortunately you misunderstood my positive message.
Didn't sound all that positive, but if you say so then that's fine as well since there could be some misunderstanding due to having different language understanding here.
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Re: phpBB is dead

Post by DiegoPino » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:29 pm

PHPBB its Not dead... still Alivie with support and Relased Software Update.
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Re: phpBB is dead

Post by Volksdevil » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:01 pm

Sadly (Or not?) I think it's society that's changed for the most part...Late generation 'Y' or 'Z' are IMO a much more 'Throw away' and selfish society.

They want something/answers fast, there and then. And when they've got their answer, they are done. There is no further need to socialise or preserve info to help others, as long as they are taken care of that's all that matters. FaceCrook fulfills that.

Answers and info that could promote discussion, create a community or help others is lost in the super boring, horrible blue and white land of FaceCrook. In all the years I've had to begrudgingly use FaceCrook, I've never felt part of any community within any of the groups.

That's why forums are awesome...Community and preservation of information.
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Re: phpBB is dead

Post by xptoast » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:18 am

Forums that use the phpBB forum setup where you have to quote everything and there is no comment threading, are complicated for both the users and management of the forum.

Twitter people like because it is fast but it doesn't really have any useful threading. Any threading that is done currently is quite confusing and not very useful.

Facebook people like because it is their own personal forum but it doesn't have categorizations or very deep threading.

YouTube people like because it is video and doesn't require reading and is an easy consumption. The comment section people like to use but they don't really like how unusable it is. There is no threading and the voting is garbage.

Reddit is about the only forum that has the necessary features to make it very useful.

Some Forum Features that are Useful and Necessary
  • Comment Threading - Comment threading that doesn't have a thread depth limit. That happens on its own. Reddit limits what is shown at a time both horizontally as well as comment quantity depth.
  • Voting - This is necessary to get spam to go away, to get good things to rise to the top, to get trolls to go away, etc.
  • The moderator tools in reddit are very powerful that allow for manipulation of behavior in positive ways. You can get the voting to be put on hold so that you can't bandwagon very easy. The system automatically fuzzes the voting so it is difficult to game.
  • There is a reddit suite that isn't a main part of reddit but adds very powerful and useful tools. There are even bots that do useful things like give you useful data from wikipedia, pull data from twitter, check to make sure that posts are long enough or don't have certain things.
  • What is really useful about the reddit suite that you can get as an addon is that it embeds the videos inline as well as pictures. You can expand or hide them simply as well.
  • In general useful tools are only really found when you have massive amounts of people to work with.
The biggest things holding back main forums is threading and voting.

I'd like to say that adding simplistic formatting instead of the annoying tagging method that most forums use would be good to do. Something similar to how WordPress has TinyMCE. This way people could import word files that are formatted with bullet points etc. Formatting is a massive thing that would be helpful.

When it comes to doing automated procedure, it would also be useful to make it so that people would be told to insert a paragraph if they go over x amount of words per text block. You could also add in a spell check tool.

When it comes to reddit however there are some things that most forums do have that it does not. That would be the massive emoticon library. That would be very nice to add.

A great deal could be done with forums if they would take cues from other platforms instead of holding fast to archaic things that don't tend to promote discussion very well.

Reddit by far has the best forum platform but it definitely could be improved.

One of the more annoying things about phpBB is the install and addon system. At least when I was using it. I believe that it has been upgraded around 2.0 for not having super annoying coding changes you have to make and having to worry about how upgrades will jack with the custom coding changes.

The WordPress system where you can upgrade your Content Management System and add addons and upgrade them and themes all very easily, is the way that works very well. I believe the new phpBB system is like that but I haven't checked. If it isn't like that, it should be. Why? Because the php and mysql versions update often enough to make a security issue if you don't keep updating things.

So in summary, the old forum format is like MySpace and the threaded and voting forum systems like reddit is like Facebook. Sometimes aesthetic updates are actually functionality updates. Just like MySpace to Facebook. While MySpace worked, Facebook works better because the aesthetic changes were actually functionality updates.

So, even if you do something like reddit, you can have skins just like you have with phpBB or WordPress or the forum system that WordPress has which sadly also uses the flat comment system instead of the threaded voting kind.

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Re: phpBB is dead

Post by AmigoJack » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:53 am

xptoast wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:18 am
voting
If I replace this with "rating" then a lot of it makes more sense. A couple of bulletin boards do this indirectly by installing/using a karma extension, so members are rated, not single posts.

xptoast wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:18 am
you have to quote everything
No, only what you actually refer to should be quoted. Just like I do it. Threads have a tree-like structure where you reply to posts directly, but that still only refers to full posts, not specific paragraphs in it.

xptoast wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:18 am
Twitter
Facebook
YouTube
Reddit
All those are in third party hands - you have no control over the software installations and the stored data.

xptoast wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:18 am
make sure that posts are long enough or don't have certain things
Don't know why you mentioned this, as phpBB has this already.

xptoast wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:18 am
TinyMCE. This way people could import word files that are formatted with bullet points etc. Formatting is a massive thing that would be helpful.
While I agree that adding a richtext editor is an endless story here I have to tell you: it's not as easy as it looks, and it requires to allow HTML. On top people would not understand why their documents have pictures and graphs, but when they copy that to the clipboard and paste it into their internet browser's richtext editor all that is gone.

xptoast wrote:
Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:18 am
it would also be useful to make it so that people would be told to insert a paragraph if they go over x amount of words per text block
But not without the opposite: merging multiple posts being done in a short time into one. Or not even allow it, but instead force members to edit their previous post. However, both forcing to use paragraphs and only one post leads to cases where this can be annoying as well.

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Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:18 am
a spell check tool
You mean what every internet browser should have for 10+ years already? If people don't use that they won't use the website's one either.

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Re: phpBB is dead

Post by xptoast » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:49 am

If I replace this with "rating" then a lot of it makes more sense. A couple of bulletin boards do this indirectly by installing/using a karma extension, so members are rated, not single posts.
No.
While I agree that adding a richtext editor is an endless story here I have to tell you: it's not as easy as it looks, and it requires to allow HTML. On top people would not understand why their documents have pictures and graphs, but when they copy that to the clipboard and paste it into their internet browser's richtext editor all that is gone.
Not that hard. Wordpress editor.
All those are in third party hands - you have no control over the software installations and the stored data.
That has nothing to do with what was said.

In general, it seems you did not actually attempt to comprehend what was written.

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Re: phpBB is dead

Post by AmigoJack » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:31 am

xptoast wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:49 am
No.
Votes are not bound to posts. Given what you wrote it doesn't make sense in terms of moderation.
xptoast wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:49 am
Not that hard. Wordpress editor.
Really? I paste several graphics and it is uploaded into picture files?
xptoast wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:49 am
That has nothing to do with what was said.
It has: every software you named can't be installed, nor is its source available.
xptoast wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:49 am
In general, it seems you did not actually attempt to comprehend what was written.
That's only your opinion.

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Re: phpBB is dead

Post by Meis2M » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:23 pm

phpBB is alive and no one can tell it is dead. phpBB hasabig update to 3.1 and after year go to 3.2 but you can see for example mybb 2 is not release yet after 7 years :D

the core of phpBB is very up to date but the UI of phpBB need be update and we hope to see in 3.3 new UI (default theme & ACP ) and maybe see a WISYWIG editor ;)
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Re: phpBB is dead

Post by ScottyPC » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:03 pm

"phpBB is dead" not by a long shot! While I have only been using phpbb for 4 months now, I find it to be an awesome product and project. I will not go the FB route for security reasons (I do not even have a FB account nor will I ever), I have already been the WP route and after over a year with that, found phpbb far more to my liking with a lot less hassle or constraints.
The community here has been nothing less than wonderful and very supportive. The dev teams work hard, and are always looking to innovate when it where it makes sense - and is feasible.
Sure there are times when I get stuck trying to accomplish something, but with just a little reading, and maybe a little searching I almost always find the solution or at the very least a good hint on where to look next. The very few times when I can't find a solution , I simply ask on the appropriate board (or try to) and presto - somebody who knows or has an idea presents it to me in a very friendly manner.
I do hope the author of this topic will reconsider his/her topic subject and change it to a more appropriate one as the current one is very misleading, intended or not.
THANK YOU PHPBB TEAM, Ext Dev's and fellow supporters - for all you do. Keep it up! ;)

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Re: phpBB is dead

Post by axe70 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:29 pm

Like to name thing with there name ... so ... I would also let note, that maybe depend on how you're skilled. It is a secure solid base. And you can do anything you like with, if you are able to.
Perhaps someone do not like to have a forum, that can customize as needed, without also little skill.
But only one, two, three buttons options ... And maybe they like to pay for it.

phpBB still (and will) rock!

for mods: sorry, can i ask why this Signature do not appear on posts? Some rule have change?
*link removed*
Ok removed, but where is my signature?
OK! SORRY! ;)
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Re: phpBB is dead

Post by JimA » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:35 pm

Signatures are disabled in the General Discussion forum only, a decision that was made to prevent spam.
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