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Re: Help the users to backup the topics

Post by zenchip » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:31 pm

david63 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:43 pm
zenchip wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:32 pm
So I really can't believe that I will ever not give my permission to myself to backup such a thread.
I would suggest you read the T&Cs of the board before you post in that case as when posting on some boards you grant the board owner all rights to whatever you post/upload.
Thanks!
That's exactly what I had in mind: the owner can create a "Terms of Use" that specifies very clearly:
"By contributing to this forum you agree that your input can be included in forum backups and then distributed for free"

There is no need for the owner of the board to become the owner of the materials the users are posting or to have all rights over those materials.
It's enough for the owner (or anyone else) to have the right to make backups that include the materials posted by the users.

In any case, as you said, there are forums where the owner has all rights over the materials posted by the users and therefore they also have the right to make offline backups of their boards.
For those board owners it would be extremely useful to have some tools that help them to make backups.

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Re: Help the users to backup the topics

Post by Lumpy Burgertushie » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:51 am

ok, your posts are getting stranger and stranger.

if you are the board owner you already have the ability to make backups of the database for the board. that is where all the posts are.

anyone user that visits a board has the ability to scrape the pages they are viewing using several different methods.
the legality of that might be in disupute but they can still do it.

what is it that you are wanting that is different from what has already been posted here.

you seem to be going around in circles.

robert

p.s. never mind, don't answer that . I am out.

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Re: Help the users to backup the topics

Post by zenchip » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:31 am

I've participated on forums where the administrators provided to the users forum backups for offline reading, in case the forum disappears. Or they wanted to provide that but it was too complicated for them to create such forum backups.
Like anything else, most of the forums don't last forever. The admin knows that very well so he provided to the users a forum backup for offline reading. This is absolutely normal and I can't see anything alien in that.
How is a database backup of any use if you just want to read something posted years ago on a forum that doesn't exist on the internet anymore?
Restoring a forum from a database backup involves an enormous amount of work, and sometimes it might be almost impossible to do that because the new version of the database engine might not even recognize a database backup made some 20 years ago. Because things change and backward compatibility is many time sacrificed in order to gain speed improvements or to get rid of extra code and so on.

But thanks, really, for calling my posts stranger and stranger.
After all, assuming good faith and trying to understand the real-life situation described by the text you are reading make the communication more efficient and enjoyable.

Speaking of running in circles, I see here replies written in the Western consumerist logic of "I would NEVER eat a hamburger that's not seriously overpriced" and "You pay good money for the hamburger, you eat the hamburger and then you throw the rests to the trash bin. And then after a few hours you go to the WC and trash what you ate" and "What? Offline reading? Wow man that's really strange! This is soooo alien!" and "Where is the problem? You keep a database backup and whenever you want to read something from the forum you pay a specialist 1,000 $ and he will restore the database backup and you read what you wanted to read. And after re-installing Windows you do that again and so on! Where is the problemo??" and in the end "Man you talk really strange. But never mind, I'm out of here, I can't waste my time with such nonsense"

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Re: Help the users to backup the topics

Post by AmigoJack » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:31 am

zenchip wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:31 am
the Western consumerist logic
I can assure you this is not a cultural issue: I've made offline mirrors of websites from 1997 until today, and I was able to do that with boards, including those run thru phpBB, unbound to if logging in was needed or not. Likewise one is able to mirror only one specific topic/forum instead of the full board.

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Re: Help the users to backup the topics

Post by zenchip » Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:58 pm

AmigoJack wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:31 am
I can assure you this is not a cultural issue: I've made offline mirrors of websites from 1997 until today, and I was able to do that with boards, including those run thru phpBB, unbound to if logging in was needed or not. Likewise one is able to mirror only one specific topic/forum instead of the full board.
Great, so finally someone understands that actually to backup a thread is not something completely alien.
And since not everyone is an expert in setting up phpBB and a database for it, and also for simplicity, some people prefer to create backups for offline reading. On some forums I have entire threads written completely by me - because nobody else bothered to post the, and the Terms of Use doesn't transfer my messages into the property of anyone else (like for example to the admin). So I have the right to make a backup of my work and nobody is against that!
Therefore adding an option to create a backup for an entire thread for offline reading would be really great and I'm sure it would be helpful for a lot of people.

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Re: Help the users to backup the topics

Post by AmigoJack » Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:57 am

zenchip wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:58 pm
an option to create a backup for an entire thread for offline reading
I never spoke of backups and threads, but instead of mirrors and topics - those are different things. Likewise a backup for a topic is impossible. Even a download of a ZIP file containing all files to read the topic (HTML, CSS, avatars, attachments...) would fail for all external resources - a software specialized for mirroring websites is a far better approach. But if you wanted to say "text is enough" then it's a feature to think about (but the download would still have multiple files for spanning a topic across multiple pages - rendering very long topics in one long document would most likely hit memory limits for both PHP and the browser which later wants to render it).

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Re: Help the users to backup the topics

Post by zenchip » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:51 am

AmigoJack wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:57 am
Likewise a backup for a topic is impossible. Even a download of a ZIP file containing all files to read the topic (HTML, CSS, avatars, attachments...) would fail for all external resources - a software specialized for mirroring websites is a far better approach. But if you wanted to say "text is enough" then it's a feature to think about (but the download would still have multiple files for spanning a topic across multiple pages - rendering very long topics in one long document would most likely hit memory limits for both PHP and the browser which later wants to render it).
I can backup entire threads using wget scripts. I've already did that many times.
And I'm just a computer user. Now imagine what can a professional programmer do.
I was able to download all the required CSS files and emoticons. It also works for avatars too, if that's really necessary.
Then I was using sed to replace links to the CSS and emoticon files.
There is no need to backup an entire thread in a single page. You can backup the thread in separate pages and make it work exactly like the online version, by replacing the links to the next/previous/first/last page - using sed or another replacement tool.

For the programmers of the phpbb platform, implementing a backup button for the threads should be very easy.

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Re: Help the users to backup the topics

Post by Mick » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:46 am

zenchip wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:51 am
For the programmers of the phpbb platform, implementing a backup button for the threads should be very easy
Talking here won’t get that done, you should make an extension request making sure you use the correct terminology, phpBB has topics not threads and inside those topics are posts.
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Re: Help the users to backup the topics

Post by battye » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:48 pm

The only in-built option would be to use the "print view" button for the pages you want to save - and then print to PDF.
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