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I was born in 1964 and passed ALL vaccinations in 1971/2. I have never had problems, in fact I must say that I have not had a fever for at least 15 years, and yet I have travelled the world. Needless to argue, each body can respond differently and we are not all the same.

Thank God, that doesn't mean that your personal experience can be evaluated (not even mine) as a fact.

Let's stay to the average.

And yes, I still have all of my hair and teeth and ... ok. :)
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Some very promising news here in my backyard from the hospital I use. But as mentioned by Doctor Campbell, most vaccine trials fail. The sure number of them though is amazing and the ones that are in phases 1, 2 and 3.


The phase 3 study of Moderna’s experimental vaccine will include 1,000 people at University of Colorado Hospital on the Anschutz Medical Campus. In addition, another 30,000 patients nationwide will participate in the trial, which is slated to start this summer, says Dr. Thomas Campbell, a University of Colorado School of Medicine and UCHealth virologist and infectious-disease specialist.
For the time being, Moderna calls its experimental vaccine mRNA-1273. It’s one of perhaps 140 vaccine candidates under development. As of June 29, those included 11 in phase 1 testing, eight in phase 2 testing, and three in phase 3 testing. One has been approved: the CanSino Biologics vaccine, which the China’s Central Military Commission approved on June 25 for immunizing the country’s military personnel. That vaccine, similar to the one being developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, uses modified adenoviruses – viruses that typically cause the common cold – to inject genetic material into human cells.
“If it works for the coronavirus, it will not only be a significant step forward for controlling the coronavirus pandemic, but it will also be a proof that this strategy can work and be implemented in practice,” he said. “The advantage of using the mRNA approach is that it can be scaled up very rapidly. It’s much easier to make mRNA molecules in large quantities than it is to make purified viral proteins, or inactivated viruses, or virus-like particles.”
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I think that the point about any vaccine, as with all other medication, is that there are side affects and the issue is about recognising and being aware of them - and some side affects may not become apparent for some time.

Whilst most side affects are known there will always be the "exception" where something totally unexpected happens and there is nothing that can be done about that.

It is all a question of what is the greater risk - not being vaccinated/taking medication and suffering the, sometimes fatal, consequence's or being vaccinated/take medication and running a very small risk of adverse side affects and I know which I would go for.

At the end of the day there is no right or wrong answer and everybody needs to make their own decision - preferably without undue pressure/influence from others.
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^^ Exactly.

JC: you sure have read the bunch of above posts? Who really cares about US' news nowadays?
it seems like you are the most infected country around the world along with Brasil, ask yourself why.

Oh, no need to reply. I pray for you all.
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warmweer wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:36 pm
Oh yeah, I remember that and also remember saying that the way the travel ban was set up, would end in a disaster as it was full of holes. That was one of those media stunts, implying that it would would come directly from China. But, a simple stopover in another country ... and pass right through sir,madam!
So you're saying that despite the virus emanating from China, way back on January 31st the president of the United States should have kept the flow of people from China coming to the U.S. despite China themselves not placing a moratorium on international travel? Is that what you're saying? Sounds like it based on your BS premise that there are holes in that idea, etc by virtue of other countries.

Now get this. On 12 March the U.S. president halted travel from 26 European counties and when that happened the EU said the measures were taken, "unilaterally and without consultation". Yet you seem to suggest yet again in a 'my shit don't stink' persona that the EU had travel restrictions before the U.S. did or something. Here Trump did exactly that in March and was CONDEMNED by the EU for doing it.

I get it, we get it, and guests reading this drivel get it. You're anti-American and hate the president.
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I personally have always loved America (USA) and am a huge fan of it.
Of course since I've known Donald Drunk and you, if you'll allow me, this passion is fading. :lol:
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John connor wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:18 am
On 12 March the U.S. president halted travel from 26 European counties
But that was somewhat akin to "locking the stable door after the horse had bolted". There were already confirmed cases in parts of the US some two weeks before that (New Orleans being one of them - how do I know? I was there!) And I still remember the 15 cases, five in hospital and it will all be over by the weekend comment.
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"locking the stable door after the horse escaped" you mean?
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david63 wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:04 am
I think that the point about any vaccine, as with all other medication, is that there are side affects and the issue is about recognising and being aware of them - and some side affects may not become apparent for some time.

Whilst most side affects are known there will always be the "exception" where something totally unexpected happens and there is nothing that can be done about that.

It is all a question of what is the greater risk - not being vaccinated/taking medication and suffering the, sometimes fatal, consequence's or being vaccinated/take medication and running a very small risk of adverse side affects and I know which I would go for.

At the end of the day there is no right or wrong answer and everybody needs to make their own decision - preferably without undue pressure/influence from others.

This is why I'm going to wait a while before I get the vaccine if one does show promise. Though, I'm hoping China's government kills off their military though with their "vaccine." :twisted: They need a boot in their ass as far as I'm concered. Not by virtue of war which would just end in nuclear annihilation, but by a thousand paper cuts with the MADE IN THE USA, BUY IN THE USA approach. I also think our debt with the Bank Of China should be null and void. But as of right now we have to tread carefully since they have us by the balls in terms of vital product importance like pharmaceuticals. And I already stated in this very topic early on how we need to stop depending on China or any other country for pharmaceuticals and make that crap here from a national security and economic stand point. It simply must be done. No two if's and's or but's about it. To the credit of a few congressional representatives, legislation has been introduced to do just that.

Now I here BS talk about how we should have pharmaceuticals made in India. NO! This is still a national security and economic issue whether we (the U.S.) is more of a friend to India or not. We just can not allow another country to hold a gun to our proverbial head about medication. China was a friend of ours just some 80 years ago during WWII. One day India could be an enemy of ours. It just makes good common sense to manufacture your stuff here especially if it's of vital importance, and then create a level trading field with imports and exports. I mean for God sakes. I learned way back in 7th grade world history that when a civilization has a lopsided trading system, those civilizations tended to fail. And I know China has been a major trading country since the Chinese Junk ship, spice trade, and silk road. They know the Biz well.

I yield back the balance of my time.
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3Di wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:22 am
I personally have always loved America (USA) and am a huge fan of it.
Of course since I've known Donald Drunk and you, if you'll allow me, this passion is fading. :lol:
That's because your mind can be quantified with that of Hitler-like media propaganda and you eat it up and let it tell YOU how to think!
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:25 am
But that was somewhat akin to "locking the stable door after the horse had bolted". There were already confirmed cases in parts of the US some two weeks before that (New Orleans being one of them - how do I know? I was there!) And I still remember the 15 cases, five in hospital and it will all be over by the weekend comment.
Yet Italy had travel restrictions nationwide on April 3rd...

It's as if the president can't do anything without being chastised for it. He could literally cure cancer and yet people would say things like, "It's my cancer, leave me alone!" Or, "curing cancer is raciest." And other mindless BS.
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John connor wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:36 am
3Di wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:22 am
I personally have always loved America (USA) and am a huge fan of it.
Of course since I've known Donald Drunk and you, if you'll allow me, this passion is fading. :lol:
That's because your mind can be quantified with that of Hitler-like media propaganda and you eat it up and let it tell YOU how to think!
So it's you, the virtual air space traveler, the almighty Lord who can quantify and classify other people's minds? I bow to you, my Lord.
May I humbly advise you to purchase a license for your simulator, I would feel more protected.

Go back to the stick and fly to infinite skies... virtual!
John connor wrote:
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Yet Italy had travel restrictions nationwide on April 3rd...
I still don't understand how we can allow you in here given your failures. Forgive me for pointing out a fact.
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I can classify your mind because you are portraying yourself as such with a TDS-like mantra and it's just common sense. But if you want to call me your Lord, then by all means. :lol:
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I pity you, you shelter in other people's light. The meaning of your presence remains unknown to many in my opinion. :P
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3Di wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:46 am
The meaning of your presence remains unknown to many in my opinion. :P
That's because I go by so many names. Satan, Lucifer, the devil, El Diablo, to name a few. Am I in the ball park here? :lol: :D :lol:
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John connor wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:04 am
Am I in the ball park here?
No, simply you are in the wrong place dude. Get a real life, If I can say. ;)
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