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TC wrote:
Mr. C wrote:Had I been born 3 years earlier, I would have been a Communist. :mrgreen: Seriously.

But I would still be the same person.

so what's stopping you now? lack of personal resolve? a strong desire to be part of the flock? or is this just another one of your broad-sweeping, "wacky" statements so that people notice you, as has been your tenure here?

Huh?
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bonelifer wrote:From his post I'd say he comes from a country once controled by the Soviets and therefor was born 3 years after the fall of the Soviet Union.

If that's true, then this would explain his tendency to make childish posts; he's a youngster.

16 to be exact. I just missed out on becoming a Communist (by default) in Romania, because my dad was a Communist, and that's how things worked there. It's a shame, I tell you.
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indeed. i'm sure you could have been a strapping gymnast.
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1. why respect benedict XVI? - cos he's a human being
2. ratzinger a nazi? there have been so much ppl saying no to this and giving reasons i won't have to say anything more
3. brainwash? please define this.... also tv ads are brainwash.
4. ratzinger ultra conservative? if you think of the 2nd council, than he is certainly not more conservative than *cough*ya know whom I mean*cough*
5. yes, he's an old man. and most probably he won't live another 50 years. but is this a erason for arguing about any hidden plans of the ones who voted him?

btw: this topic is still named "an ex nazi". so why do we discuss about anything else?
so ontopic: if you tell me from '33 to '45 half of the germans were nazis, i'll tell you you didn't get yourself informed well enough.
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shktoelz wrote: 1. why respect benedict XVI? - cos he's a human being

You respect Hitler then?
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Pezzoni wrote:
shktoelz wrote:1. why respect benedict XVI? - cos he's a human being

You respect Hitler then?


Hitler wasn't human.
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adamsmark wrote:
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shktoelz wrote:1. why respect benedict XVI? - cos he's a human being

You respect Hitler then?


Hitler wasn't human.

Yes he was. Along with Harold Shipman, Jack the Ripper, and every mass murderer / pyscopath in history.
I suppose they have to be respected by someone...
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yes, of course, for being a human i respect even hitler. but this does not indicate that i agree to his "ideas".

and he was definitely human.
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adamsmark wrote:
Pezzoni wrote:
shktoelz wrote:1. why respect benedict XVI? - cos he's a human being

You respect Hitler then?


Hitler wasn't human.

listen, last time: this topic is not about your feelings about Adolf Hitler, Auschwitz, Treblinka, Dachau, Josef Mengele, the ethos of National Socialism, or the price of dope in Bolivia. talk about the pope or not at all.
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What amazes me about the free thinking tolerant liberals that critcize the Pope for his ideas is that they do not realize that those beliefs are founded in the Bible. He is just upholding and applying the doctrine from the Bible. You may say that he is misinterpreting some things, and that's fine. But if you go around saying how intolerant he is and then calling him a Rat, how are you any better. You're just as intolerant as anyone else!
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ChiefJustice wrote: What amazes me about the free thinking tolerant liberals that critcize the Pope for his ideas is that they do not realize that those beliefs are founded in the Bible. He is just upholding and applying the doctrine from the Bible. You may say that he is misinterpreting some things, and that's fine. But if you go around saying how intolerant he is and then calling him a Rat, how are you any better. You're just as intolerant as anyone else!

Wake up and smell the coffee, genius. You can't justify anything by saying "it's in the Bible". The Bible says it's righteous to kill your own children if they swear at you (Exodus 21:17), among many, many other insane recommendations.

And I'm sick of people who complain about how it's wrong to be intolerant of intolerance itself; that's just a rhetorical trick that fools only the foolish.
shktoelz wrote: yes, of course, for being a human i respect even hitler.

I've got some new for you; if your definition of "respect" includes even Adolf Hitler, then it is worthless. The whole point of respect is that it indicates something positive about the person to whom it is given.
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shktoelz wrote: 5. yes, he's an old man. and most probably he won't live another 50 years. but is this a erason for arguing about any hidden plans of the ones who voted him?

Hidden plans? I don't think they're hidden at all. They clearly don't want another long-reigning Pope.
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Mr. C wrote:
shktoelz wrote:5. yes, he's an old man. and most probably he won't live another 50 years. but is this a erason for arguing about any hidden plans of the ones who voted him?

Hidden plans? I don't think they're hidden at all. They clearly don't want another long-reigning Pope.


They also can't find someone younger that will be able to uphold all the same ultra conservative views that he will. I mean, someone else is bound to disagree upon something, weather it be birth control, woman's rights, or homosexual rights, whatever. Chances are good that someone younger will be more liberal when it comes to at least 1 of those issues(most likely woman's rights and their role in the chruch). Ratzinger on the other hand follows strictly what is preached in the bible, hence why he has been nicknamed 'the enforcer'.

And, while this is no reason to condemn him or anything really, to me personally, when I hear him speak, I don't get a real feeling of sincerity from him. I mean, for all intents and purposes, while I didn't like J.P.2, when he spoke there was still a feeling of sincerity in his voice, weather or not what he was speaking about was good or bad, but in Ratzinger there is just a feeling of "you expect people to swallow this bull?" I mean, just from the start, with his "humble servant" speech, call me crazy but to say stuff like that really seems more of an attempt to try and seem modest. I know that those things are of course no actual reason to speak and and say "that's why I don't like him", and I'm not, I have many other reasons to not like him, but it's just a feeling I get from him.
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shktoelz wrote:5. yes, he's an old man. and most probably he won't live another 50 years. but is this a erason for arguing about any hidden plans of the ones who voted him?

Hidden plans? I don't think they're hidden at all. They clearly don't want another long-reigning Pope.


They also can't find someone younger that will be able to uphold all the same ultra conservative views that he will. I mean, someone else is bound to disagree upon something, weather it be birth control, woman's rights, or homosexual rights, whatever. Chances are good that someone younger will be more liberal when it comes to at least 1 of those issues(most likely woman's rights and their role in the chruch). Ratzinger on the other hand follows strictly what is preached in the bible, hence why he has been nicknamed 'the enforcer'.

And, while this is no reason to condemn him or anything really, to me personally, when I hear him speak, I don't get a real feeling of sincerity from him. I mean, for all intents and purposes, while I didn't like J.P.2, when he spoke there was still a feeling of sincerity in his voice, weather or not what he was speaking about was good or bad, but in Ratzinger there is just a feeling of "you expect people to swallow this bull?" I mean, just from the start, with his "humble servant" speech, call me crazy but to say stuff like that really seems more of an attempt to try and seem modest. I know that those things are of course no actual reason to speak and and say "that's why I don't like him", and I'm not, I have many other reasons to not like him, but it's just a feeling I get from him.

You know what, I pretty much agree with all of that. I don't think he's a liar by any means, but he seems to be... well, like you said, somehow insincere. No doubt that he's a good man, and that he is a man of God, but Pope JPII seemed very different, more honest, more down to earth...
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Wake up and smell the coffee, genius. You can't justify anything by saying "it's in the Bible".

You can if it's your religion. Why should he abandon his religion just because you don't agree with it?
The Bible says it's righteous to kill your own children if they swear at you (Exodus 21:17), among many, many other insane recommendations.

Making claims like that shows your ignorance about the Old Testament. Sinning against an almighty Creator was an almighty sin and was therefore worth being put to death for. After Jesus died, there was no need for death to be used on every sin.
And I'm sick of people who complain about how it's wrong to be intolerant of intolerance itself; that's just a rhetorical trick that fools only the foolish.

Again, you're spewing your own hatred. Catholicism is a religion, not a government run institution. Whether you like it or not, not everyone agrees that all religion is stuck in the 18th century, as you pointed out earlier.
If you want to hate religion, go ahead. You're entitled to do so. But calling the Pope a rat is completely inappropriate. You can do better than that. I know somewhere in there that there is an intelligent argument that doesn't require namecalling.
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I think that we have known cardinal Ratzinger as a Defensor of Faith in the last 25 years. He had a task to do and followed it. We don't know well Benedict XVI, but we could only guess a possible todo list from good friday meditations and from what he said after the death of John Paul II. It seems that one of the tasks waiting for him is priests' abuse problem (and the issue is very serious. It seems that what i've read in an article linked some posts before could be only a part of a big trouble).
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