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Post by warmweer » Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:24 pm

Riamus wrote: I do wonder as to why Roman names for the planets survived, but the Roman name for the sun did not. Does anyone know?

I'm just speculating now, but it's probably got to do with the fact that there is only one sun in our vicinity and there was never any need for a naming scheme for possible suns (in the solar system). By the time stars had to be named there could be no doubt about what is meant by the sun. (Same reasoning could be applied to the moon and earth for that matter).

BUt I like the sound of certain adjectives like in the lunar night, the solar flares, the terrestrial atmosphere, it has a certain grandeur (at least in the english language ;) )
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Post by Flaming_cows » Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:35 pm

English borrows a lot from other languages, the sun wasn't sol because it took its name from a different language. See here for a deeper etymology and some translations.

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Post by Kazer0 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:59 pm

iloserman wrote: I think you also missed Riamus' point. I don't think that people in Brazil, or Spain, [ Yes I do realize that one is porteagues, and the other spanish ], go around calling the closest star "The Sun", if I'm not mistaken it is "El Sol".


Well, if that is true, then it would seem the only acceptable time to use that name would be when speaking in the Spanish language. After all, I don't call a table the tableau when im speaking English.

The point here is that the name of the Sun, is the Sun. If you speak a diffrent language, then it may be called something else, but its official name is the Sun.
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Post by Flaming_cows » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:46 pm

Kazer0 wrote: After all, I don't call a table the tableau when im speaking English.

Or 'el mesa', which is the actual spanish word for table.

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Post by warmweer » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:22 pm

Flaming_cows wrote: Or 'el mesa', which is the actual spanish word for table.


"la mesa" me parece mas correcto. :p
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Post by Kazer0 » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:38 pm

Flaming_cows wrote:
Kazer0 wrote:After all, I don't call a table the tableau when im speaking English.

Or 'el mesa', which is the actual spanish word for table.


Welcome to french 101. tableau = table.
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Post by ChaosBringer » Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:31 am

Flaming_cows wrote: Or 'el mesa', which is the actual spanish word for table.


your wrong its "La mesa" because its a feminine object...i am spanish :P

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Post by rick` » Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:21 am

This is why I hate learning new languages :P



Anyhow, IMO. There is only 9. The rest are just rocks ;)

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Post by Kanuck » Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:33 am

Flamebait awards left and right! My compatriot is certainly most deserving of course, but it would be unfair to include the others who are working so hard.

Anyone got a link to a diagram of the orbit? It would be interesting to see.
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Post by RunningWolf » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:24 am

This confusion about Sol is beginning to intrigue me. I thought as I have in the past on a star chart seen the label Sol, don't ask were or when I have forgotten by now but I am sure it was not a game. Not only that Sol is a translation of sun, but that there are a) many suns b) many solar systems.

Taking in the fact that we at one point had limited knowledge of the solar system I got the impression that calling our solar system, "Solar System or Sun" would not be how it is, instead "Sol" which incidentally means Sun was chosen not just as the name of the sun but as the solar system as well as a whole.

Any thoughts or corrections?

(Really who calls our Solar System, Solar Sytem - now that I think about it I think I saw the term Sol in an atlas somewhere that had a page on the solar system :? )
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Post by Flaming_cows » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:44 am

Kanuck wrote: Anyone got a link to a diagram of the orbit? It would be interesting to see.

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It was just a joke. I don't know what gay rumors have to do with anything, either.

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Post by Riamus » Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:43 pm

It doesn't even look like that is orbiting the sun... Probably just a bad view that makes it look that way, of course. :)

It's interesting that Pluto is at a slight angle and then this is even great angle. I wonder if it's possible that the plane the planets are on twists as it gets further out. Maybe not... just a thought from someone who knows relatively little about astronomy. :)
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Post by Kazer0 » Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:57 pm

RunningWolf wrote: This confusion about Sol is beginning to intrigue me. I thought as I have in the past on a star chart seen the label Sol, don't ask were or when I have forgotten by now but I am sure it was not a game. Not only that Sol is a translation of sun, but that there are a) many suns b) many solar systems.

Taking in the fact that we at one point had limited knowledge of the solar system I got the impression that calling our solar system, "Solar System or Sun" would not be how it is, instead "Sol" which incidentally means Sun was chosen not just as the name of the sun but as the solar system as well as a whole.

Any thoughts or corrections?

(Really who calls our Solar System, Solar Sytem - now that I think about it I think I saw the term Sol in an atlas somewhere that had a page on the solar system :? )


Now this may seem confusing: Other Suns are called 'Suns' because they are named after our 'Sun' because they are the same type of stellar object. Same with 'Solar System'.
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Post by warmweer » Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:40 pm

Kazer0 wrote: Now this may seem confusing: Other Suns are called 'Suns' because they are named after our 'Sun' because they are the same type of stellar object. Same with 'Solar System'.

I was always under the impression that "a sun" was used for stars with a planetary system (and also that solar system was strictly limited to our planetary system).
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Post by RunningWolf » Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:33 am

Kazer0 wrote:
RunningWolf wrote:This confusion about Sol is beginning to intrigue me. I thought as I have in the past on a star chart seen the label Sol, don't ask were or when I have forgotten by now but I am sure it was not a game. Not only that Sol is a translation of sun, but that there are a) many suns b) many solar systems.

Taking in the fact that we at one point had limited knowledge of the solar system I got the impression that calling our solar system, "Solar System or Sun" would not be how it is, instead "Sol" which incidentally means Sun was chosen not just as the name of the sun but as the solar system as well as a whole.

Any thoughts or corrections?

(Really who calls our Solar System, Solar Sytem - now that I think about it I think I saw the term Sol in an atlas somewhere that had a page on the solar system :? )


Now this may seem confusing: Other Suns are called 'Suns' because they are named after our 'Sun' because they are the same type of stellar object. Same with 'Solar System'.
Would you like to know something even more confusing?

If we call everything Sun, Solar System, or Sol without declaring it a unique name where does one go?

Lets take an example, lets just say that every town and city in my country was called City.
Question: "Hey buddy I need to know how to go to get to City."
Reply after looking at a map, "Which one?"
See the problem, if we call everything by what they are then when there are multiple occurrences of that object we have no clue about differences. The solution is to make it individual.

We don't call our home system solar system. >.<
We may call each sun a sun, but not Sun! (note the capitalisation.) Back when these things were first discovered it isn't like they knew of the many solar systems or suns anyway. There would have been at one point in history that a star was simply considered a star and a sun is something entirely different. Things got interesting when we learned that the sun is a star and so forth with the discoveries.
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