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Re: Ebay Noob

Post by Jim_UK » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:14 pm

I am going to follow some of this advice. There was an item I was after yesterday that I missed but an identical one (same seller) today that closes in just over 3 hours. He has sold lots of them and the price varies from just over £100 to £237.
Of course the figure that I am aiming at is the lower one and no I am not telling you what it is as I do not want everyone whose topic I have locked bidding on it. :lol:

What is clear looking at sales of identical objects is that some sellers rip you off on postage with some in the UK charging nearly twice as much to post the item to me as another in Germany.
I guess it pays with some hefty postal charges to see how much you would pay down the local store where there is no postage at all.

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Post by drathbun » Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:20 pm

Postal charges! :evil: There are some folks that seem to make their living on postal charges. I understand that you have to cover packing materials, and the cost of the trip to the post office. But in the US if you ship priority mail the post office provides the boxes, they will even deliver the boxes to your house. And you can schedule a pickup so you don't have to leave your house. There's no reason to charge $20 for "shipping and handling" for a package that costs $5 to ship. And handle. ;-)

I now make sure I look at the shipping charges before I bid on something.

And eBay recently provided a way for people to rate the shipping stuff as a separate line item from the actual transaction, which is nice. I think there are four different rating categories now, but I don't recall what they are off-hand.
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Re: Ebay Noob

Post by Jim_UK » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:06 pm

:cry:
Yes missed it again.
I waited until it was down to 5 seconds and then put in a bid.
Usually if someone has bid higher (max bid) then you would get a message showing a red cross and saying that you had been outbid.
Fair enough but I got the Green tick showing that I was the highest bidder (closing second here)
Suddenly I was outbid - presumably not by a pre-entered max as I was shown as having the highest.
How could someone with around a second to go see my bid and outbid me by £1-50 remembering that they do not see my max bid but just the standard increase on the previous high?
In that last second they would have to make multiple bids to overtake mine unless of course they had access to tell them what my max bid was!!

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Post by Drexion » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:10 pm

I take the easy way out, I only list items with a "buy it now" price, and if I see one I want, I buy it on the spot. Obviously I won't find the best deals that way, but it saves the hassle of sniping, bidding and re-bidding against 100 soccer moms.
Plus ebay-uk is awesome when it comes to tech products, even restricting myself to buy it now listings I still find very excellent deals on brand new products.
Jim_UK wrote: I waited until it was down to 5 seconds and then put in a bid.
Some people use sniping scripts - but most of the time you have to realize that its a very popular site, one of the most popular on the entire planet. Even the most obscure items might have a lot of other people wanting it, some prepared to snipe for it.

If you think you have it bad now, wait till you try last second bidding a "hot" item from a reputable seller, for example a Nintendo Wii. There will be 100+ vultures circling it, with 5 browsers open on 2 computers controlled by one keyboard, quick-switching windows and sniping like their life depended on it.

And around christmas time ? - 5000+ desperate parents bidding against you :p

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Post by Techie-Micheal » Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:09 am

I won't list the site for spam purposes, but there's one site I've known about for years now that snipes for you for a fee of course.

I'm not much of an eBay fan personally. I just go to Amazon or some other site to get my hot product fix. I figure if I can't afford something new, I don't need it.

That isn't to say that the only reason people do the eBay thing is to get used books or what have you, just saying I prefer to stay away from auction sites.
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Re: Ebay Noob

Post by Jim_UK » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:59 am

Thanks guys.
I kept reading these posts talking about sniping and was not really sure what they meant.
It now makes sense as to what was happening so I figured that even a script has to get the current bid and bang in a slightly higher one in the last second or so.
Armed with stop watch and counting down Jim waits until the very last moment to get in a bid on the latest of these items (digital suitcase generator with inverter technology) and then pounces.
Yes I can tell you what I was bidding on now. :D
Note the time to run on this item - split second timing there.

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Re: Ebay Noob

Post by Jim_UK » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:28 pm

It seems that my method of getting that item was also a form of sniping (bidding in the closing seconds too late for anyone else to follow up with a higher bid) all be it performed manually and not with the aid of either software or one of the specialist sniping sites (if you are unsure what I mean then Google Auction snipe)
I had to resort to that last second bid in order to try and outdo the other snipers.
The result of the last minute sniping of course is that it avoids the bidding wars that you see were folks sometimes actually pay more for a used item than it costs new because they have "got carried away".
The end result of course is that the seller may get less for the item than they would have done in a bidding war.
The seller is of course able to put a reserve price on an item so it may be argued that they have got at least as much if not more than the hoped for. (assuming they had a reserve.)
Do you think that this last second bidding is ethical?
Should the auction sites perhaps extend the auction period slightly when there are bids placed in the last few seconds?

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Re: Ebay Noob

Post by Anaximander Thales » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:58 am

Jim_UK wrote:The result of ... sniping of course is that it avoids the bidding wars...
Do you think that this last second bidding is ethical?
Should the auction sites perhaps extend the auction period slightly when there are bids placed in the last few seconds?
Ethical, sure -- is it fun for the people that lose out, no. It's playing the game as designed by E-Bay. At an actual auction, you get to see who your competitor is, you get to size them up, and you have the actual item to view before and during the auction. But, for all technical purposes, it is a form of gambling. You're betting that you can get this item at a better deal than else where, and your advesary is another person who believes the same thing.

I don't consider sniping a "cheating" move -- it's just another gambit that can be played to make sure that you're the winner.

With that in mind, I don't believe that EBay should extend the time based on last second bets. This could literally extend an auction indefinitely (assuming the "Get Carried Away" syndrome is present). Eventually, someone will bow out, but if an auction is scheduled to end at 5 pm, are you going to be happy if the auction ends at 11 pm because of last second betting? But it would certainly end sniping, as you wouldn't know when the auction is ending.

Additionally, those that use EBay as their primary income source may run in to time constraints if their auctions are running hours or days over the end time. I say this because not every person that puts an item up for sale on EBay are holding that item. This is why you get a differing range of shipping prices. The item that your buying may be shipped from overseas even though the seller is in your city.
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Post by drathbun » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:18 am

There were other auction sites that would extend the auction by 5 minutes from the last bid. To be honest, this is much better for sellers than buyers, but there is also the opportunity for the buyer to continue to bid as long as they want. It's more in line with a real live auction in that way.
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Re: Ebay Noob

Post by Drunky » Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:43 am

Jim_UK wrote::cry:
Yes missed it again.
I waited until it was down to 5 seconds and then put in a bid.
Usually if someone has bid higher (max bid) then you would get a message showing a red cross and saying that you had been outbid.
Fair enough but I got the Green tick showing that I was the highest bidder (closing second here)
Suddenly I was outbid - presumably not by a pre-entered max as I was shown as having the highest.
How could someone with around a second to go see my bid and outbid me by £1-50 remembering that they do not see my max bid but just the standard increase on the previous high?
In that last second they would have to make multiple bids to overtake mine unless of course they had access to tell them what my max bid was!!

Jim
It might have just been a lucky person. I remember once I had gotten outbid and just got home. There was barely any time left but I was able to bid at around the last 3 seconds and win.

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Re: Ebay Noob

Post by pentapenguin » Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:45 am

Anaximander Thales wrote:Additionally, those that use EBay as their primary income source may run in to time constraints if their auctions are running hours or days over the end time. I say this because not every person that puts an item up for sale on EBay are holding that item. This is why you get a differing range of shipping prices. The item that your buying may be shipped from overseas even though the seller is in your city.
Also that's a bad idea because what if you are selling time sensitive items like sports or concert tickets?
Jim_UK wrote:Do you think that this last second bidding is ethical?
Ethical? Sure. Fun for the other bidder? Not always. I almost always snipe because I usually get it for less than if I bid days before it ends and let other users bid too. But then again, plenty of times somebody out snipes me so all's fair in love and war...or something like that. 8-)
Techie-Micheal wrote:I won't list the site for spam purposes, but there's one site I've known about for years now that snipes for you for a fee of course
I use one site that gives you up to 3 free snipes a week. Otherwise I do it manually or through my mobile phone. :ugeek:
Jim_UK wrote:Yes missed it again.
I waited until it was down to 5 seconds and then put in a bid.
Usually if someone has bid higher (max bid) then you would get a message showing a red cross and saying that you had been outbid.
Fair enough but I got the Green tick showing that I was the highest bidder (closing second here)
Suddenly I was outbid - presumably not by a pre-entered max as I was shown as having the highest.
How could someone with around a second to go see my bid and outbid me by £1-50 remembering that they do not see my max bid but just the standard increase on the previous high?
In that last second they would have to make multiple bids to overtake mine unless of course they had access to tell them what my max bid was!!
Simple tip: never bid "even" amounts like 2.50 or 5 or 10. Instead always bid unusual amounts like 5.07 or 10.58. Why? Well it's due to a loophole in the eBay system. Example: item is currently at 5. You snipe for 10.08. Another bidder snipes for 10 even. You still are the highest bidder with your snipe since it's 0.08 more. Of course somebody could get another bid in but it can be hard in the last few seconds.
drathbun wrote:Postal charges! :evil: There are some folks that seem to make their living on postal charges. I understand that you have to cover packing materials, and the cost of the trip to the post office. But in the US if you ship priority mail the post office provides the boxes, they will even deliver the boxes to your house. And you can schedule a pickup so you don't have to leave your house. There's no reason to charge $20 for "shipping and handling" for a package that costs $5 to ship. And handle. ;-)
Actually now it's against eBay rules to charge excessive amount for shipping so report them with the link at the bottom of the page!
drathbun wrote:I now make sure I look at the shipping charges before I bid on something.
And always be wary of people that don't either give a flat shipping charge or offer a calculator. Sometimes they surprise you with huge shipping charges! Always get shipping and handling costs in writing before bidding.
drathbun wrote:And eBay recently provided a way for people to rate the shipping stuff as a separate line item from the actual transaction, which is nice. I think there are four different rating categories now, but I don't recall what they are off-hand.
That's correct...you can also rate the seller on shipping costs, shipping speed, communication, and how accurate was the description on a scale of 1 to 5.
ryan1918dotcom wrote:If I want something I check it out, hopefully it don't have any bids or many at all, than I bookmark the page
Just put it in My eBay. Easier that way.
laisvai wrote:Maybe month ago i decided to buy some cd. It is only way to buy this cd i think, but oh well as a newcomer i didn't read too much, i filled all required data, win the auction, and after 2 days just realized that this is cassete that i win :lol: i tried to cancel my bid and so on, but with no luck :x well i did not pay...i got warning from ebay...So how things are going in such cases? they redo the auction or that?
If the auction said it was a CD but you got a cassette you have a good case. If not, then you need to pay since your bid is a legal contract to pay if you win.
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Re: Ebay Noob

Post by battye » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:03 pm

drathbun wrote:There were other auction sites that would extend the auction by 5 minutes from the last bid. To be honest, this is much better for sellers than buyers, but there is also the opportunity for the buyer to continue to bid as long as they want. It's more in line with a real live auction in that way.
I think Sitepoint are using that method for their auctions now (although they may do it over several hours, I'm not too sure).
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Post by drathbun » Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:01 pm

battye wrote:I think Sitepoint are using that method for their auctions now (although they may do it over several hours, I'm not too sure).
The are for domain auctions at least. The site I had in mind was buy.com or bid.com or something like that. As long as there was a recent bid the auction was extended but just by five minutes. Sitepoint extends it for a couple of hours, I think. If you really want a domain that's up for sale you might have to stay up around the clock watching your bid. :lol:
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Re: Ebay Noob

Post by Drunky » Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:35 am

I don't really get the point to extend an auction after the last bid. What is the point to it? Is it because of sniping?

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Post by drathbun » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:14 am

How does an auction work in real life? You keep going until the bidding stops. eBay is the exception, rather than the norm.
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