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Re: proxies, gibberish names, and other online abuses

Post by Xboxsosmart » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:42 am

this thread made me laugh.
my school monitors all of the sites you go on, but they blocked disney for some reason.
all you really get is http://www.disney.com is blocked because it is in the -games- section.

it really sucks. but yes,
Jim_UK wrote:
md16185 wrote:I don't see any point in using proxies... I think like libraries and hotspots shouldn't just block IM clients or chatrooms/other sites, without at least knowing what they are.
But of course there are 1000's of such sites and the most important thing must be to protect the young internet users from all the perverts that are out there trying to prey on them.
Education authorities in the UK often employ the services of companies to screen all internet access from schools. All goes through their servers.
I got a shock one day when I discovered that my own site was blocked. This was I think due to the inclusion of the keyword "models" in the meta tags. :shock:
I would support the idea of blocking proxies but am not sure how you are linking that to the blocking of Chatrooms by libraries.
Please enlighten.

Jim
Jim_UK wrote:As a sometime teacher of IT I have been quite amazed at some of the sites that have been blocked by filters put in place by the Local Education Authority or their employees.
On several occasions I have asked children to try various sites for info and they have got the warning on the screen that the site was barred and the site was perfectly innocent (as my own is I assure you). The presence of a key word would be enough to trigger the block or even a section of a keyword may be enough. For example asking them to find out information about "Middlesex Cricket Club".
Get the idea?
It would make sense I think for someone to be paid to visit the sites that have attracted a block by the filtering and when sure that they were legit to add them to a list that would not be blocked in future.
I must say though that despite this elaborate filtering that any half intelligent kid can find the porn within a couple of minutes. My experience was that if you turned your back for that couple of minutes that many of them would have done so!

Jim
(Jim, I am a computer lab teacher technecally, too.)
Liquinn wrote:I beleieve that the education computer networks are more stricter, which is a good thing, however it'd be different if they filtered wikipedia, and other useful sites in education.

Hopefully you see my view, next year I'll be working as a SysAdmin, so yeah xD~
i hear you.
James N wrote:A young friend of mine if doing A level art. So she has an on line gallery for her stuff, which she wants to access from school. Its blocked, solely due to its name. Its a well known site used by professionals as well as amateurs.

deviantart.com :roll: So whats causing the block? Deviant or Tart? :lol:

Sledgehammers and nuts come to mind
over here it would be "-parked-. it is crazy how mixed up these peices of crap work.
Liquinn wrote:
James N wrote:A young friend of mine if doing A level art. So she has an on line gallery for her stuff, which she wants to access from school. Its blocked, solely due to its name. Its a well known site used by professionals as well as amateurs.

deviantart.com :roll: So whats causing the block? Deviant or Tart? :lol:

Sledgehammers and nuts come to mind
Hmm, be easier to make a site, then she'll know if it's blocked at school, however she shouldn't have to buy a domain and hosting to get away from school blockers, proxy her way through, or, find a different method xD
no, if its blocked the school most likely will spy on what you are doing. so its not a good idea.

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Re: proxies, gibberish names, and other online abuses

Post by Tripp » Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:33 am

I dunno about other filters but at the school here, the company that did their networking not only monitored all internet traffic, but anything done on the actualy computer. So if you managed to open command prompt and run some commands, the company could find out.
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Re: proxies, gibberish names, and other online abuses

Post by md16185 » Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:39 am

The Internet should be free to use, but not abuse... I think they should be less strict, but block like the spammers, proxies, etc... I know of coffee bars that block text-based chat, and a library around here blocks chat and messengers, thinking someone is gonna stalk someone sitting right next to them..

I think the IT people need to learn about the potential of the Internet, and not get so "block crazy".
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Re: proxies, gibberish names, and other online abuses

Post by Liquinn » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:25 pm

md16185 wrote:The Internet should be free to use, but not abuse... I think they should be less strict, but block like the spammers, proxies, etc... I know of coffee bars that block text-based chat, and a library around here blocks chat and messengers, thinking someone is gonna stalk someone sitting right next to them..
The Internet will never be free. However, spammer(s) need to delt with, and proxies as well, but I suppose people don't know how much spam people make, or how many proxie's there are.
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Re: proxies, gibberish names, and other online abuses

Post by The Awesomest Dude » Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:08 am

Drugs wrote:Like I said, I won't go into it but my point was...they block good, innocent sites and resources such as Wikipedia while my forum had* a "bad" name and content that a lot of people don't support. :lol:

If you want to know more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez
TY very much for that read! I know all about warez (which is bootlegged/pirated (illegal) software), or I THOUGHT I did anyway. That article was quite interesting. I should point out, as a side-note, that Wikipedia is not usually the best source for info about anything "controversial". (Because people squat on the site and claim that things are "true" because the EPA or or the FDA somebody like that said they were true...) That's a different matter though... Anyway I enjoyed that article. I couldn't stop reading it! TY very much! :)


About the original, yes I agree, that would be nice if nobody blocked sites or anything like that. Kids are typically smarter than most adults. If they want to find porn (or God knows what else!), THEY WILL!

What to do about it? TEACH them WHY they shouldn't do certain things. Teach them WHY NOT, from as early age as possible. (And "because I said so" don't count! LOL They'll do what they want and you'll never know about it until it's over, if at all...) That's a little off the topic, but does pertain, and is very true, nonetheless.

About the issue of places blocking innocent sites, that is pretty lame. I agree with Jim_UK that they should hire somebody to go through and verify each site. I can only imagine what all "bad words" mine has. BTW, how do you find out if it's blocked or not? (Somebody mentioned "websense". I tried http://www.websense.com and I couldn't find anywhere to check that.) If somebody could tell me, I would appreciate that.

It's not "G Rated" but it's not "X Rated" either. I would say PG or maybe PG-13. But of course the point is that they don't actually review the sites, they just use keywords and stuff like that...

I just want to know if it's blocked or not. (The site I'm talking about is "awesomestdude.com" and/or any of it's subdomains, including the board which is "forum...".) And if it is blocked, I would like to know why it is. (Sex/Porn, Racism, etc.)

Because if they blocked a site about art, a site about model airplanes, a site about some club, and all that... there's a good chance they might have mine blocked also. Which is pretty lame. But either way, I just want to know...
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Re: proxies, gibberish names, and other online abuses

Post by Tripp » Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:39 am

I agree. Instead of just putting a filter up and saying no when you know kids will do it anyway, teach them why it's harmful not only to them but to schools/companies computers.

But yeah, I think it's messed up how they block innocent sites but let a site like mine that has very illegal content to pass by "undetected"
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Re: proxies, gibberish names, and other online abuses

Post by Jim_UK » Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:00 pm

Perhaps it should be legally binding that all publicly accessible sites should contain a certificate of suitability.
I envisage something similar to the certificates that films on show in the UK have to display.
Perhaps
Cert C = suitable for Children
Cert PG = suitable for children with Parental guidance
Cert 13 = suitable for all over the age of 13 (COPPA age)
Cert A = Beware this site contains adult material

This certificate could be contained as a Meta in the overall_header.tpl file
Schools would block everything with an A certificate and use discretion on the Cert 13 for secondary age kids

It should be a simple matter to have to submit your site to your host before it is activated.

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Re: proxies, gibberish names, and other online abuses

Post by Liquinn » Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:44 pm

Agree and disagree with you there. The issue been, alot of domains are registered, and you can't keep up, plus the domain owner(s) can lie.

For example, shock sites, I don't want to go into any more detail there, I guess you understand my point, I understand yours, and that would be awesome.
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Re: proxies, gibberish names, and other online abuses

Post by Tripp » Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:25 pm

I liek that idea Jim. I feel like that would be reasonablely achievable.
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