this would make sense but the file name is always exactly the same, the target/source dates are different (but always the same difference), and the file sizes are often different too, sometimes the "existing" target file has 0 bytes whereas the source file size is correct... to be clear, we're not talking about this happening to 20% or so of the uploaded files, it's only a tiny amount, only a couple of dozen max or so....EA117 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:10 amI haven't "proven" that it's true, but when I've seen that happen (upload to empty directory, and one or more files inexplicably prompt for overwrite) I've assumed it's because the FTP connection timed out & the automatic retry then finds the previously aborted/empty file.
When you're transferring from a case-sensitive file system to a non-case-sensitive file system (e.g. when downloading from a Linux server to a local Windows hard drive), technically you could encounter a "real issue" in that case. For example if someone named files "Test", "test" and "TEST", since when trying to download those to a case-insensitive Windows file system, they all overwrite the same file on the destination.
But I'm not aware of anything in phpBB that tries to use same-name-different-case filenames, and don't expect to encounter that issue backing up or making a local copy of a phpBB site.
yes.John connor wrote: Are you just uploading what's in the public_html folder?
before setting "yes for all" you have to decide what action you want taken, i.e. overwrite, overwrite if source is newer, overwrite if source is larger, etc., etc., there's at least 10 options iirc... this can be a prob because the message pops up for different scenarios - for example, do i really want to check "overwrite if source is newer" and "yes for all" when the first message to pop up shows a newer source file with 0 bytes and an older target file with 2,863 kb?
thanks robert, that's what i ended up doing, except for a couple of instances when the target file had content and the source file had 0 bytes, just didn't seem right to overwrite a file with content with one with no content, know what i mean? also, every instance of the popup message showed identical file names, with same case, just different dates and, on some occasions, different files size.... whatever the case, everything seems fine.
unfortunately that doesn't really help with he prob i'm describing because the "file already exists > overwrite? > overwrite options" happens in both directions, when downloading (backing up) your phpbb files to a local disk, and again when uploading them to a server.EA117 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:28 pmI don't have anything that lets me do it "on the server itself", but I frequently download the files currently on the web site to a local directory, and then use a diff tool to compare the entire subdirectory structure against some previous backup and/or a known-source extraction like a phpBB release. (Any diff tool you prefer is fine; my preference is Scooter Software's BeyondCompare.)
So while it won't solve or answer any mysteries about why the overwrite issue is happening, this approach would reveal for you now "which file(s) on my site are zero length or wrong content" as compared to your backup. So that you could correct by uploading & intentionally overwriting just those files.
Those files exists probably because you have not changed your DNS to your new host. So you are still pointing to your old forum.aeneas1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:41 amso i backed up all of my site files to my pc, then uploaded them to my new host, but during the upload process i keep getting messages that the file exists (in what was an empty folder before the upload began) along with options to overwrite, overwrite if source is newer than target, etc., etc..... so my question is how can these files already exist? thanks!
Okay, understood. The original post here said "during the upload process", and that's when I've encountered this kind of issue too, so I was expecting that your download would represent what was currently on the server.aeneas1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:25 pmunfortunately that doesn't really help with he prob i'm describing because the "file already exists > overwrite? > overwrite options" happens in both directions, when downloading (backing up) your phpbb files to a local disk, and again when uploading them to a server.
Sure, if you have console access to the server, you could use the Linux-provided compression and extract tools. (Or Windows-compatible, if your hosting is Windows-based.) Even if you don't have console access to the server, the CPanel, Plex or other online tools provided by your hosting provider may still give you access to an option. For example, in my CPanel the "File Manager" provided for my shared hosting provides access to the "Compress" and "Extract" functions.aeneas1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:25 pmseems that the best was to ensure you're getting the exact files on your server, without having to guess whether you should overwrite an "existing file" or not, is to zip the phpbb directory at the server and download 1 (zipped) file, and then do the same when uploading, is that even possible? can you unzip on the server?
thanks for the reply but that was one of the first thing i looked at, ip is the new host.Nick225 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:59 amThose files exists probably because you have not changed your DNS to your new host. So you are still pointing to your old forum. If you are using Cpanel, click on "Manage", right by your domain name specified at the top of the "Account Setting" page. You will see the IP address for your site. Make sure that's the IP of your new host. I bet that's your problem.
yes, discovered how to gz zip and uncompress forum files (everything in the public_html folder) at the server level, will probably re-do everything using this process... i'm wondering how it will handle attachment files? when i backed things up the first time around, i didn't uncheck "treat files without extensions as ascii files" in filezilla's transfer settings, as a result they were corrupted and many of the attachments images didn't display after the migration, re-downloaded them after making the filezilla change, reuploaded the, and everything was fine.EA117 wrote:Sure, if you have console access to the server, you could use the Linux-provided compression and extract tools. Even if you don't have console access to the server, the CPanel or other online tools provided by your hosting provider may still give you this option. For example, in my CPanel the "File Manager" provided for my shared hosting provides access to the "Compress" and "Extract" functions.
We're "ignoring the problem" of course, and a "random failure of FTP transfer" is going to bite you again sooner or later for something else. But transferring only a single pre-compressed file might at least help solve problems in the short term.
Perhaps once we know what current FTP programs you're using & have tried, we'll figure out some kind of logging that can be enabled in the FTP client to confirm exactly what it might have already done with the file in question, and encountered on the FTP connection of that original file, before then ultimately making the attempt which results in an overwrite prompt.