I call myself a web developer, which only means I have a sense of humor. I still type with two fingers, if that's any clue. Anyhoo, my host has this stuff called fantistico, which, at times, isn't. Like at three am, when I want to add a forum to my site. Sure install script, click "go," and done, right? Wrong. Three hours later, I just trashed the whole sub domain. So I added your 2+ thingy by hand, individual files, create files, cause I got no skillz, dig? After all the aggro, who cares? Now, I got me a forum. And since I found out your smiles are not smilies, I even got those too. Tomorrow I go to the mall to pay some bills. So you folks can expect some change from these pockets. I mean what I say, and try to say what I mean.