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phpBB3 seo - googlebot-image does not find image in phpBB3

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I want that somebody proves that google obtains to find images sent in attachment

example:

this image, never googlebot-image goes to obtain to find

http://www.phpbb.com/community/download ... =23065&t=1


googlebot-image obtains to find to avatar more does not obtain to find attachment

http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl ... ar+imagens



I think that a good solution for the problem would be:

error -> http://www.phpbb.com/community/download ... =23065&t=1

no error -> http://www.phpbb.com/community/img/anno ... -color.gif
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The default bot permissions don't allow them to view attachments. You'll have to set it set to yes so they can. The URL shouldn't be an issue at all for them to index the full image but it's sent as a file and other than the file name there is really nothing there for them categorize it. For good indexing of images you need some html markup, specifically the alt attribute.
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friend I already configured the permission all bot for accepted annex in my site the much time, exactly thus googlebot-image is the day all in my site and it does not find images



it shows to some forum to me that googlebot-image found images ?
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nobody obtained to find a forum phpbb3 with image in google?
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Re: phpBB3 seo - googlebot-image does not find image in phpBB3

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I'm not sure I understand the question, but Google indexes images in posts from phpBB.com:
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It's got a rather large number indexed from the site.
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iWisdom wrote:It's got a rather large number indexed from the site.

it enters here:

http://images.google.com.br/images?hl=p ... gens&gbv=2

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SamG. you sent Screenshot.png in http://www.phpbb.com/community/

links:

http://www.phpbb.com/community/download ... =29905&t=1
http://www.phpbb.com/community/download ... &mode=view
http://www.phpbb.com/community/download ... p?id=29905


it can be certain, google does not go to find this image

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SamG wrote:I'm not sure I understand the question, but Google indexes images in posts from phpBB.com:

google finds image in phpbb.com

google does not find image in phpbb.com/community


in phpbb.com link .jpg -> http://www.phpbb.com/development/prosil ... tory09.jpg
in forum phpbb.com/community link .php -> http://www.phpbb.com/community/download ... =23065&t=1
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I forgive I do not understand English to me, I am using translating
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In the case of the first result in my screen shot, the context link is the topic. In this case, http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=359158 .

The next return from the screen shot is similar to the first in that Google indexes the source location and gives the context as the topic the image was posted in. So it's not true that Google doesn't index /community/viewtopic.php. More importantly, Google indexes the image to its source location, as expected.

In the case of images uploaded to a phpBB 3 board, if what thecoalman says is true, then there should be no difference. The problem is that I don't know of any boards that allow attachments and for certain have enabled the necessary bot permissions. I can't actually test the theory, though it would seem odd to me that Google could index avatars but not attachments if permissions allowed it.

So I guess I really don't understand the problem here. Google is doing everything I would expect it to do, but maybe I'm missing something.
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Google will grab the avatars because its allowed too:

http://64.233.169.104/search?sourceid=n ... t%3D358419

For attachments there is just some text there that says you cannot view them. No link so nothing to index.


My first experience with SEO and learning how powerful it could be was with Google Image search. The first site I built I somehow managed to stumble upon getting an image ranked 1 for "American flag" about a year after I launched it. This single search brought in a tremendous amount of traffic, the image was quite nice so that certainly helped. This accounted for about 95% of my referrals. I've even seen a lot of flags that i suspect were cropped resized versions of mine.

Anyhow the formula was pretty simple, basic markup and a few links leading to the pages with the images with "American Flag" in them. Google is going to take all those things into account. The most important thing of all is the alt and title attribute tags.

You need consider a search engine as blind user, the alt tag is meant to convey the meaning of image to blind users. Besides it should be done for accessibility and in the not too distant future you may find yourself on the other side of lawsuit if you don't.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... .DTL&tsp=1

With a few tweaks you can certainly get some results from the thumbnails. The attachments would need a lot of modification.
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Even if bots have the right permissions Google won't index attached images because they have a .php extension. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this is on the to-do list for phpBB 3.2.
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It does index them, already posted above:

http://images.google.com/images?q=site% ... a=N&tab=wi
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Without following the results to the end, at least the first 200 are avatars, and I think the OP agrees that those get indexed.

Attached images are treated as links in posts and not images. The title and alt attributes preserve the filename, but what does Google "see" at the end of the link? If a bot behaves as a browser does for this purpose, it should "see" an image. Perhaps the Firefox-as-Googlebot plugin I hear mentioned now and again would clarify?
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I made ums test and googlebot-image obtains to find images in

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[url]http://urllink[/url]
, more does not find images in attachment
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I'm going to have to back up here a second because the avatars and being sent with valid file extensions.

For example:
<img src="./download/file.php?avatar=156933_1220530796.gif" width="90" height="90" alt="User avatar" />
I'll have to admit its not something I've researched, my robots.txt file denies Bots from file.php If it was an issue I would have thought that I'd have seen it by now, I would have assumed with the right mime type that a SE would consider it an image. In any event it's certainly a plausible explanation why the OP's images are not being indexed.
SamG wrote: Attached images are treated as links in posts and not images. The title and alt attributes preserve the filename, but what does Google "see" at the end of the link?
If it's a thumbnail or full size image in post it is. Considering the above I'd imagine it doesn't see anything for either the thumbnail or the full size image, I'll look around and see what I can find regarding images sent without an image extension. Having said that even if it had a valid file extension and a SE indexed it the only information to index is the filename. There is the possibility of the image also having EXIF data that *might* be read by bot but unless the user fills that info out its not going to contain more than the date and time it was taken, camera used etc. In General only pros will be utilizing EXIF but I wouldn't discount it's SEO potential.

The alt and title should be used to describe the image. Using the filename provides no benefit for a bot or someone that is seeing impaired. You'd need and an additional input box or use the comment.
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