well, when you're copying and pasting multiple lines of text in multiple files, it can get complicated.. it can really take up some time, based on how comlicated the mods, are.. plus i have a tendancy to use a non-standard template for my forum, so that also makes it more of a challenge. To tell me to "learn how to add mods yourself" is an insult, and I take it that way. My phpbb2 webforum had, EASILY, 25 to 30 very complex, modifications added to it. It's not an issue of not knowing how to install mods.. it's an issue of having the energy, and time, to want to go through endless lines of code, "copying and pasting" to make forum changes.. I understand where I need to get support when it comes to individual mods.. please don't try to condescend to me. I conceded that I understand the need for a basic, simple, and straightforward, webforum. That said, and to use the vista analogy, again, I think it would also be nice to have a more decked out version, as an alternative. Just like Vista has a version for home users, versus vista ultimate. Do you not see the rationale, there?