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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by Ishimaru Chiaki » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:32 am

Hello.

I spent my whole evening my two phpBB3 testboards (the local one on Ubuntu side and the online one, both not MODified) and my pro_ubuntu style who's still under development. It went fine.

For the style, I had to manually update the files because of modifications in the template files. But after that, I noticed a detail : After my tests under Windows, I forgot to transfer the modified style back to Ubuntu side and I had time to make more modifications on the non-tested copy before the update, so I had to do some more modifications to add the IE tweaks (the style uses transparent PNGs).
Now, it should be OK and then, all is left is more tests under IE. Once it will be validated on the French community, I'll submit my style here.
(for information, I have a dualboot XP/Ubuntu on my machine)

Back to updates : I still have my phpBB3 on Windows side to do, and a modified phpBB3 where I'm coadmin (I have FTP access).

I now know well how to update a not MODified phpBB3, but I have never updated a MODified one. The baord where I'm co-admin has the AJAX shootbox, Last Post title on Index and Today's connected people MODs.
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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by Zaid » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:18 am

iWisdom wrote:You'd be best using the auto-updater. That being said, if you have any further questions, please seek help in the support forum. Thanks.
wait up... are you saying that the auto updater updates modified boards and mostly wont affect my mods installed already ?

I think auto updater works only if your board is not modified and for modified boards you need the manual updater :ugeek:

Now, I simply want to know which file I should follow, / which file contains the code changes I need to apply manually if I wish to install/update my phpbb 3.2 installation to phpbb 3.3...


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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by JimA » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:21 am

AcidRain wrote:
wait up... are you saying that the auto updater updates modified boards and mostly wont affect my mods installed already ?

I think auto updater works only if your board is not modified and for modified boards you need the manual updater :ugeek:
That's correct, the automatic updater gives the option the merge both files together, and so keep all your MOD edits. :)
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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by Mick » Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:53 pm

I have now updated three boards, all with minimal modifications, but all went fine everything seems 'as it was' but for it reporting 3.0.3 as the version.

I couldn't get the FTP update to work so did them all manually but it isn't a problem whatever to do it that way.

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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by motzned » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:54 pm

what's the deeper meaning of hiding last post link for bots?
I think it is a good way for bots to crawl some topics without stepping through forums.

it's of course no problem to not change this in my template, but I wanted to know if this
really makes sense. ;)
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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by Phil » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:04 pm

It's because the content is not static, therefore you don't want someone dumped on the index to try to reach that particular topic.
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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by noth » Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:02 pm

while I was updating a dozen phpBB3 forums I came across one that was 3.0.1

not 3.0.2

I thought "what the hell" and continued

an error showed up pretty much straight away but the comment next to it said something like "this probably won't matter too much so continue" HAH!!!

a couple of minutes later the whole screen went blank and I went into a parallel dimension :twisted:

:lol: oh well, it was worth a try

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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by Ishimaru Chiaki » Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:29 pm

Mixstar wrote:I couldn't get the FTP update to work so did them all manually but it isn't a problem whatever to do it that way.

Cheers,

Mix
Same issue for me when I updated my online testboard. I had to use the zip archive method. For now, I posted about this issue on Servhome support forum.

Finally, for the modified one where I'm co-admin, one of my co-admins took care of the update since I didn't have time to do it.
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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by Sunka » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:08 pm

Highway of Life wrote: Also, here are the Code Changes.
This code changes is different from code changes that we could download first day of phpBB v3.0.3?
I ask because, that day I did changes all the files to acp_email.php
Should I do it again, or there is not code changes in chode changes :mrgreen: for that files
That files are:

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adm/style/acp_ban.html, 
adm/style/acp_groups.html, 
adm/style/acp_main.html, 
adm/style/acp_styles.html, 
adm/style/acp_users_overview.html, 
adm/style/admin.css, 
adm/style/install_update.html, 
adm/style/overall_header.html, 
adm/style/permission_mask.html, 
common.php, 
download/file.php, 
includes/acm/acm_file.php, 
includes/acp/acp_attachments.php, 
includes/acp/acp_bbcodes.php, 
includes/acp/acp_board.php, 
includes/acp/acp_captcha.php, 
includes/acp/acp_database.php, 
includes/acp/acp_forums.php, 
includes/acp/acp_groups.php, 
includes/acp/acp_icons.php, 
includes/acp/acp_jabber.php, 
includes/acp/acp_main.php, 
includes/acp/acp_permissions.php, 
includes/acp/acp_styles.php, 
includes/acp/acp_users.php,
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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by Noxwizard » Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:22 pm

Where are you pulling that listing? This is the listing from the new Code Changes: (both MODX and Text)

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adm/style/acp_ban.html
adm/style/acp_groups.html
adm/style/acp_main.html
adm/style/acp_styles.html
adm/style/acp_users_overview.html
adm/style/admin.css
adm/style/install_update.html
adm/style/overall_header.html
adm/style/permission_mask.html
common.php
download/file.php
includes/acm/acm_file.php
includes/acp/acp_attachments.php
includes/acp/acp_bbcodes.php
includes/acp/acp_board.php
includes/acp/acp_captcha.php
includes/acp/acp_database.php
includes/acp/acp_forums.php
includes/acp/acp_groups.php
includes/acp/acp_icons.php
includes/acp/acp_jabber.php
includes/acp/acp_main.php
includes/acp/acp_permissions.php
includes/acp/acp_styles.php
includes/acp/acp_users.php
includes/acp/info/acp_email.php
includes/auth.php
includes/bbcode.php
includes/constants.php
includes/db/db_tools.php
includes/db/dbal.php
includes/db/firebird.php
includes/db/mssql.php
includes/db/mssql_odbc.php
includes/db/mysql.php
includes/db/mysqli.php
includes/db/oracle.php
includes/db/postgres.php
includes/db/sqlite.php
includes/diff/diff.php
includes/diff/engine.php
includes/diff/renderer.php
includes/functions.php
includes/functions_admin.php
includes/functions_compress.php
includes/functions_content.php
includes/functions_convert.php
includes/functions_display.php
includes/functions_jabber.php
includes/functions_messenger.php
includes/functions_module.php
includes/functions_posting.php
includes/functions_privmsgs.php
includes/functions_template.php
includes/functions_upload.php
includes/functions_user.php
includes/mcp/mcp_forum.php
includes/mcp/mcp_front.php
includes/mcp/mcp_logs.php
includes/mcp/mcp_main.php
includes/mcp/mcp_post.php
includes/mcp/mcp_queue.php
includes/mcp/mcp_reports.php
includes/mcp/mcp_topic.php
includes/mcp/mcp_warn.php
includes/message_parser.php
includes/search/fulltext_mysql.php
includes/search/fulltext_native.php
includes/search/search.php
includes/session.php
includes/template.php
includes/ucp/ucp_activate.php
includes/ucp/ucp_groups.php
includes/ucp/ucp_main.php
includes/ucp/ucp_pm_compose.php
includes/ucp/ucp_pm_viewfolder.php
includes/ucp/ucp_prefs.php
includes/ucp/ucp_profile.php
includes/ucp/ucp_register.php
includes/ucp/ucp_remind.php
index.php
language/en/acp/attachments.php
language/en/acp/board.php
language/en/acp/common.php
language/en/acp/groups.php
language/en/acp/permissions_phpbb.php
language/en/acp/posting.php
language/en/acp/styles.php
language/en/common.php
language/en/email/group_request.txt
language/en/help_faq.php
language/en/install.php
language/en/mcp.php
language/en/ucp.php
language/en/viewtopic.php
mcp.php
memberlist.php
posting.php
search.php
style.php
styles/prosilver/imageset/imageset.cfg
styles/prosilver/style.cfg
styles/prosilver/template/faq_body.html
styles/prosilver/template/forumlist_body.html
styles/prosilver/template/mcp_forum.html
styles/prosilver/template/mcp_front.html
styles/prosilver/template/mcp_header.html
styles/prosilver/template/mcp_post.html
styles/prosilver/template/mcp_warn_post.html
styles/prosilver/template/mcp_warn_user.html
styles/prosilver/template/memberlist_body.html
styles/prosilver/template/memberlist_leaders.html
styles/prosilver/template/memberlist_view.html
styles/prosilver/template/overall_footer.html
styles/prosilver/template/overall_header.html
styles/prosilver/template/search_results.html
styles/prosilver/template/styleswitcher.js
styles/prosilver/template/template.cfg
styles/prosilver/template/ucp_groups_manage.html
styles/prosilver/template/ucp_main_subscribed.html
styles/prosilver/template/ucp_pm_history.html
styles/prosilver/template/ucp_pm_viewmessage.html
styles/prosilver/template/viewforum_body.html
styles/prosilver/template/viewtopic_body.html
styles/prosilver/theme/content.css
styles/prosilver/theme/links.css
styles/prosilver/theme/theme.cfg
styles/subsilver2/imageset/imageset.cfg
styles/subsilver2/style.cfg
styles/subsilver2/template/faq_body.html
styles/subsilver2/template/forumlist_body.html
styles/subsilver2/template/index_body.html
styles/subsilver2/template/mcp_ban.html
styles/subsilver2/template/mcp_forum.html
styles/subsilver2/template/mcp_front.html
styles/subsilver2/template/mcp_post.html
styles/subsilver2/template/mcp_warn_post.html
styles/subsilver2/template/mcp_warn_user.html
styles/subsilver2/template/memberlist_view.html
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styles/subsilver2/template/viewtopic_body.html
styles/subsilver2/theme/theme.cfg
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viewforum.php
viewonline.php
viewtopic.php
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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by kazper » Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:10 am

First of all thanks for the hard work on further improving phpBB. It is much appreciated.

Secondly thanks for trying to make things easy with the Automatic updater, which works like a charm on most low- to mid level modded boards. It is so much better than phpBB2.

I must admit though that I understand the point of those that complained about the lack of the Code Changes file for heavily modded forums - just as I understand the point of the Devs about how much time it would have needed. That entire debate seems settled now so I don't want to re-open that, but I just want to point out that as wonderful as the Automatic Updater is for those low- to mid level modded boards it is as much of a nightmare in a heavily modded board. Seeing a list of 10-15 files with potentially fatal conflicts can scare the living bejeezus out of anyone - especially knowing that a wrong choice can invalidate your board. Sure - you test on localhost for anything like that, but the question becomes - can you even figure out how to fix it somehow.

I have a basic grasp of php-coding and can make simple features and sites - and I know about diff files, and I was still intimidated by trying to figure out the exact changes I'd need to do to the files that had conflicts. The ways you can see the file before and after - while impressive - doesn't really help much in getting an overview of a 30kb critical functions file with 30 or more red lines in it (and knowing you have several more like it waiting). Sure in the end I did figure it all out using the patch files, but it took me several hours. Perhaps less than doing the code changes would have, but not by much - and my anxiety levels were much higher ;)

I'm not saying that the Automatic Updater is bad - I think it's a brilliant move forward - and I'm not saying that you need to spend a huge amount of time making a code changes file, because I understand the problems that gave. All I'm saying is that using the Automatic Updated turns from a dream into a nightmare if you find yourself "overmodded" and buried in conflicts. It's really not that intuitive and easy to use for non-professional php developers then. Had I known a little less than I do I might not have managed to make it work on that one heavily modded forum. I can't say how to best change this - perhaps there is no solution but clear instructions in using the patch files here on the site - perhaps a tutorial with a link from the Auto updater when it finds conflicts. But there is a "problem" with the Automatic Updater in those situations that the Devs might simply not see because to you fixing those conflicts are easy. To most people it's not.

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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by SamG » Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:38 am

kazper wrote:But there is a "problem" with the Automatic Updater in those situations that the Devs might simply not see because to you fixing those conflicts are easy. To most people it's not.
I don't recall the developers ever saying that using the automatic update system on a heavily MODed board was easy, that resolving conflicts is always easy. How could the developers know what admins of heavily MODed boards even see at update time? The MOD possibilites for all practical purposes are endless, and there is simply no way to anticipate the state of a heavily MODed board.

In any case, nobody tried to minimize the work involved in the update process in the case of heavily MODed boards, at least not that I'm aware of.
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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by RMcGirr83 » Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:56 am

kazper wrote:Seeing a list of 10-15 files with potentially fatal conflicts can scare the living bejeezus out of anyone - especially knowing that a wrong choice can invalidate your board. Sure - you test on localhost for anything like that, but the question becomes - can you even figure out how to fix it somehow.
According to the list that Noxwizard posted, I count no less than 94 php files that have code changes.

10-15 files seems, uhmmm, small compared to that.

I still have a Categories Hierarchy board flying around the interwebs...a 2.1.5 CH board which is only 3 or so versions out of date. I don't ever plan on updating it, save for security fixes, as I find updating to be a royal PITA.

I, for one, am grateful for the auto updater...makes my life that much easier. I would much rather spend 6 or so hours watching football or writing a mod. ;)
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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by Doorway » Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:56 am

Is it possible to use the Auto Updater then go in behind it and update the files that failed to get updated, which would be the heavily mod'ed sections?

Thanks again for all your hard work in piecing together yet another patch, I look forward to updating my 3 boards.
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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

Post by ameeck » Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:33 am

Well actually that is what the Automatic Updater will tell you to do. If there is a conflict in some files, i.e. it can't be merged it will tell you to manually edit the file. :)

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