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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

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Thanks for the update..

Can someone please explain template inheritance and post-based queue?

Thanks in advance.
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Highway of Life wrote:Instead, how about using the Automatic Update, (which is performed on 94? files), then of the what... 10 to 15 that you have conflicts with, you can use the Code Changes to update those 10 to 15 files, it sure beats manually updating 64 files, don’t you think? :)
RMcGirr83 wrote:According to the list that Noxwizard posted, I count no less than 94 php files that have code changes.

Read 'em and weep ;)

though there are 12 language files in that list somewhere.
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Re: Discuss: phpBB 3.0.3 released

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RMcGirr83 wrote:Just so I understand you. You would rather do code changes on 94 files than look at, via the update process, compare/merge code conflicts in 10 or 15?

Have fun with that! :)
No. You don't seem to understand. What I suggest is what Highway of Life actually also posted a little later in this thread (although you seem to have misread that too). To use the Automatic Updater on all the files where the changes doesn't generate conflicts - then use Code Changes to update those 10-15 files. That does "require" those Code Changes to be available though (Yes you can use the patchfiles, but that is certainly a level higher in difficulty and risk of error for most).

But if you are asking me whether I'd rather do manual code changes on 94 files rather than try to figure out 10-15 files using the tools the Updater makes available to me - yes it'd be faster to do the 94 files of manual changes. Now when you add in patch files and diff/merge programs to help with the conflicts that changes and this changes to the situation described above. But having the Code Changes would be even more effective for those 10-15 files.

You can't guarantee the ability of everyone to update modified boards of course. At some point you risk having mods that are just incompatible with a new version or that require pretty large rewrites of files to work that is simply beyond a person with too little PHP skills to figure out. That's a risk you take when you heavily mod your board without having enough knowledge. However, you can do more or less - and providing manual Code Changes are a great asset for those with little knowledge of PHP. Often you can figure out how to move specific code up 5 lines to make it work or similar, even when you would have no idea about what the hell to do to merge two different files. Handling a specific line of code is much easier mentally than grasping the totality of two different versions of files of a program you didn't (and couldn't) write.
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RMcGirr83 wrote:Read 'em and weep ;)

though there are 12 language files in that list somewhere.
Slacker! You didn't number them! :lol:
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:P

You should be validating one of my mods instead of wasting time on here. :P x 2

:lol:

Kazper, my apologies...apparently I don't understand.
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All work and no play makes for dull modding! :lol:

OT - You know...I wonder how much people complained when version 2 didn't even have an auto-update feature...what did they do back then if they had 150+ MODs installed? Cry themselvesto sleep?

All I know is that those of you that don't update to 3.0.3 becaue of having so many MODs installed...you're doing yourselves a disservice as it's only going to get worse with every new release and it'll be terrible when 3.1 comes out. If you have that many MODs installed then either get someone that knows what they're doing to do the upgrade for you or learn how to do the upgrade and make a backup of the files just in case...the database usually is pretty safe to run the upgrade_database.php script but back that up as well anyways just in case.
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RMcGirr83 wrote:You should be validating one of my mods instead of wasting time on here. :P x 2
dude, if you only knew. :lol:


DavidIQ wrote:OT - You know...I wonder how much people complained when version 2 didn't even have an auto-update feature...what did they do back then if they had 150+ MODs installed? Cry themselvesto sleep?

All I know is that those of you that don't update to 3.0.3 becaue of having so many MODs installed...you're doing yourselves a disservice as it's only going to get worse with every new release and it'll be terrible when 3.1 comes out. If you have that many MODs installed then either get someone that knows what they're doing to do the upgrade for you or learn how to do the upgrade and make a backup of the files just in case...the database usually is pretty safe to run the upgrade_database.php script but back that up as well anyways just in case.
i agree, 2.0.x was probably hard to update. the developers just cant win - they offer a simpler way to update boards, and people STILL complain. i, for one, am grateful for all their hard work. and your right david, it is just going to get harder with each new release if they decide to refuge in 3.0.2 :?
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It's sad but I see now how in two years, there will be users stuck with the "old and ugly" 3.0.2 while there's 3.0.22 out and everyone will just cry out "OMG? How could you have survived so long on that version?". Something like when you see someone today on 2.0.5.

The only difference to phpBB2 is that phpBB 3(.0.3) with it's coding standards should be just fine even in that time.

This is not a reason to not update though, if updating will be necessary some day, you will have a hard time updating through several versions.
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Great release. Update was a snap!

Thnx for the hard work team!
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iWisdom wrote:It's because the content is not static, therefore you don't want someone dumped on the index to try to reach that particular topic.
please explain in a bit easier words :roll:

why the content is not static? the link changes on a new post, but the topic always exists under the same url.
isn't this static?
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motzned wrote:why the content is not static? the link changes on a new post, but the topic always exists under the same url.
isn't this static?
The content of the index and viewforum pages is not static, as I'm sure you know. Of course the links would work fine but that's if they're able to find them. As new topics are created the older topics get pushed down. It's much better for the search engines to index the actual topics and posts as opposed to listings of topics since those can constantly change. Can't tell you how annyoed I get when I click on a forum link returned by a search engine only to find that the topic I was looking for is not on that page and is burried like 3 or 4 pages or more down in the forum...
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DavidIQ wrote:Can't tell you how annyoed I get when I click on a forum link returned by a search engine only to find that the topic I was looking for is not on that page and is burried like 3 or 4 pages or more down in the forum...
That's why I adopted the habit of viewing the cached version first.
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Yes of course, but I shouldn't HAVE to do that. I aplaud the devs here for implementing this in phpBB base.
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If I had known that combining 5 forums on one user database to allow for cross-site access would create such a problem for me during updates... I wouldn't have done it.
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