W3C validation and phpBB - is it worth it?

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W3C validation and phpBB - is it worth it?

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I am writing this to garner response from the rest of you as to whether the W3C validation is actually even worth it anymore?

I mean, we can spend hours, days and weeks fixing "problems" in our templates and websites - by "problems", I mean problems for the W3C validation tool.

And what is it for? To satisfy a website and our inner geekiness.

Our users see no benefit whatsoever in my opinion.

Surely those hours, days and weeks would be much better spent providing new and exciting content for our end users?

Why should I waste my time with W3C validation when the big boys don't?

www.google.com - Result: 62 Errors, 8 warning(s)
http://news.google.com - Result: 1331 Errors, 105 warning(s)
www.youtube.com - Result: 67 Errors, 333 warning(s)
www.amazon.com - Result: 1436 Errors, 130 warning(s)
www.facebook.com - Result: 18 Errors, 6 warning(s)
www.myspace.com - Result: 80 Errors, 30 warning(s)
www.gaiaonline.com/forum - Result: 34 Errors, 30 warning(s)

So seriously, if these amazingly popular sites aren't validating - how will me spending all of my time making my site valid make it more successful?

I am beginning to think that validation is something only geeks with too much time and not enough web visitors can claim they "have" LOL.

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classixuk wrote:validation is something only geeks with too much time and not enough web visitors can claim they "have"
that depends on the personal points of view, indeed. :)

I personally do not care about that, that does not means it is a good choice though. :geek:
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Suppose everybody played nicely the W3C recommendations rather than resisting or getting careless. Would the Web be a better place? That's the first question. If the answer is "No," then validation is useless. If the answer is "Yes," then it isn't useless.
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SamG wrote:Suppose everybody played nicely the W3C recommendations rather than resisting or getting careless. Would the Web be a better place? That's the first question. If the answer is "No," then validation is useless. If the answer is "Yes," then it isn't useless.
If everyone played by the W3C standard, writing a web page and web browser would be invariably easier. There are thousands of lines of code in Firefox intended to try and understand someone's botched HTML.

Not sure if web content creators really care about how difficult it might be to maintain a browser, but I think it would be worth it.
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well if we dont use it, then firefox and friends will hard to read what we are trying to say to them.
do they ? :roll:
and w3c makes our website faster and lighter then a non w3c website.
but it do really hard to maintain it .
one more
w3c website are profesional made rather then non w3c website. ;)
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I don't think that it is important to have a site which validates in the validator of w3c.

However I do think that you should consider the standards/guidelines which they have made when designing a site. As it will improve the accessibility of your site.

For example you should try to use the crrect html tags for the different pieces of content.

So follow guidelines: yes, validate in the validator: not nessecerily.
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The validator, of course, shouldn't be conisdered an end in itself. It's a tool to check and measure how well my work complies with the guidelines. I don't see a better way to do just that, personally. It doesn't have to be the W3C validator, but a more or less objective validation of my work is the shortest road to learning how to do it better, I think.
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Double_J wrote:I don't think that it is important to have a site which validates in the validator of w3c.

However I do think that you should consider the standards/guidelines which they have made when designing a site. As it will improve the accessibility of your site.

For example you should try to use the crrect html tags for the different pieces of content.

So follow guidelines: yes, validate in the validator: not nessecerily.
agree, my personal view: use it if you want to, get it for business purpose, worth a while
if they are fine codes, performance improves, why not?
but don't waste too much time on figuring out how to maintain that validation
i mean, to me, they aren't as important as being able to create something great
that validation is like debugging stage, or even after your debug stage
just like addon, i am sorry if i get anybody offensive, but to me, no, not worth it to go crazy about it
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I think it's important some how

just when your page is valid I think it will browse faster and will be completed with all Browser


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Ds ! wrote:I think it's important some how

just when your page is valid I think it will browse faster and will be completed with all Browser


:)
not really true at all.

one of the main problems is that browsers like internet exporer do not follow the w3c guidlines for how they deal with web pages so trying to validate and still make things cross browser compatible is often impossible.


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robert

really :shock:
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Sadly not many people do use validation, but why not? Just because someone else corrects our mistakes (for example, browsers interpreting bad code for us) is not a reason to make the mistakes.

If it were any other programming language you would have to stick to doing things right or get compiler errors. I say there is really no reason NOT to follow the standard other than laziness. I'm trying to keep to the standard in all of my websites I build :)
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MasterZ wrote:I'm trying to keep to the standard in all of my websites I build :)
same here. the MODs i have (both custom-built and MODs from phpbb) are all built to adhere to standards. i have run into a few snags, but i quickly fix my errors and recheck. for me, its knowing that my site follows the guidelines set forth, and thats the only reward i want. :D
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Ds ! wrote:robert

really :shock:

yes, really.


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MasterZ wrote:Sadly not many people do use validation, but why not? Just because someone else corrects our mistakes (for example, browsers interpreting bad code for us) is not a reason to make the mistakes.

If it were any other programming language you would have to stick to doing things right or get compiler errors. I say there is really no reason NOT to follow the standard other than laziness. I'm trying to keep to the standard in all of my websites I build :)
I use the validator from time to time, but sometimes it simply is undoable to keep your site valid...

For example a user can post a comment/post/reply or whatever is possible op your site, which is not valid.

When I want to include a youtube movie, the standard code which youtube supplies, is also not according to the standards. Now you can all put this back to the guidelines, but it just takes additional time, which it sometimes, in my opinion is not worth the effort.
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