Dog Cow wrote:Because it would cause the users to leave and not come back.
Beg to differ but from personal experience, yes they do. I know I do myself and the same thing happened when I converted a phpBB2 board to 3.0.4 last December for one of my friends. The board had been established for four years on v2, was very active and they positively revolted after I converted. They absolutely hated the default style and the changed behavior,i.e. the very annoying "please wait while ..." redirects. Not to mention is was noticeably slower and more cumbersome to use based on their familiarity with v2. Overall the GUI was deemed too complex by the users, too many damn settings they said, the UCP freaked them out. You should see the PM's I got, seriously I was very glad these people did not know where I lived. In the short term I set the default style to subsilver to try and provide some familiarity and I worked feverishly for 3 weeks straight to get that board to look and behave as closely to the older version as possible to placate them, and even then it was long enough to lose a % of the regulars. They just did not like the new interface and stopped participating. It is human nature to not use something that you do not like. You might not like it because it's different than what you are used to or you might not like it because it has legitimate usability issues, i.e. harder to use, takes longer to do the same things. Whatever the reason for the dislike, it definitely does affect participation and use. I was still getting complaints about this or that on the new version up until July of this year (7 months after conversion) and then they just stopped complaining, but those specific people that complained that I couldn't really help just drifted out of the community and have not returned since.drathbun wrote:People don't join (or leave) a site based on the tool in use.
So that concludes to... ?runehints wrote:Yes, they was running phpbb2.
However they are now running a different system, and are even more popular.
Why not email some of them and ask?runehints wrote:To be honest, I don't know why they left, over 95% of our members left, which is alot, all our members just suddenly left, however they all left to our rivals... and one by one, our remainder members left now we have just 10 members who are around, posts have slowed to a hult.
Fair enough, real-world experience trumps opinion.narqelion wrote:Beg to differ but from personal experience, yes they do. I know I do myself and the same thing happened when I converted a phpBB2 board to 3.0.4 last December for one of my friends. The board had been established for four years on v2, was very active and they positively revolted after I converted.drathbun wrote:People don't join (or leave) a site based on the tool in use.
Just for the sake of correctness: phpBB2 used the same type of "please wait" screens.narqelion wrote:They absolutely hated the default style and the changed behavior,i.e. the very annoying "please wait while ..." redirects.
That may be true, I honestly don't remember because I installed the board for her back in 2004 and modded it extensively to resemble and behave like the Invisionboard of that era, which is what I converted her from.A_Jelly_Doughnut wrote:Just for the sake of correctness: phpBB2 used the same type of "please wait" screens.
Not the board owner, me, at her request. She was in a panic because of the whole EOL fiasco she thought she had to convert by the end of 2008 and she tried to do it herself but ran into a problem, posted in the support forums here but got no help. Enter me, after years of inactivity and to be honest I had long given up on 3 ever seeing the light of day. I was surprised to see that not only was 3 out, 3.0.4 was newly released. So I logged into her server fixed the conversion error and executed the conversion. It was definitely short sighted on my part, and as I've already acknowledged in another topic if I had it to do over I would not. There was no need, the sky wasn't falling like chicken little said.drathbun wrote:It sounds like the switch was not managed very well. I suspect that the board owner simply took it upon himself (or herself) to upgrade without asking any of the board members, or without doing any testing or preview work.
I, too, began working on subSilver2 and edited the images so it used the original subSilver ones, also I edited the UCP modules (which is very easy to do with the new module system) to mimic the phpBB2 experience. Worked pretty well for me.Ger wrote:It's true that more conservative people don't like change, whatever that change is. But a good administrator knows his "flock" and anticipates. On my sword forums the visitors are quite conservative as well, so I started to develop a style of my own around the release of phpBB 3.0.RC2. With Subsilver2 as inspiration, that's true. Didn't loose any members in the process, most people just like it. 8)
I agree that the new change might have contributed but it can't be the main reason. It may have cause some members to leave but not 95%.