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Have anyone tested this for blind users?

Post by Danielx64 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:03 am

Hey guys,

Before I start, I want to make it clear that I'm not yell at anyone or anything, I just want to make point about something.

I been using phpbb for a long time and have used it for several projects.

There one thing that I don't know if being about before, some people use "high contrast" setting on theor computers and so on.

The reason for that is because there are people like me who has low vision and needs different settings from what most people will use

For most part that solves most issues, however that brings up another issue, Some of the content on the screen does not show up.

I've posted a picture to show what I'm talking about.

I'm sorry if I done a bad job at explaining things :(
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Re: Have anyone tested this for blind users?

Post by A_Jelly_Doughnut » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:46 am

It was tested with screen readers, but I don't recall anyone ever reporting results with the Windows "High Contrast" mode on. It seems that web browsers don't display background images with that mode on, which is the reason why the quote and reply buttons fail to appear. Any idea why they do that? :?
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Re: Have anyone tested this for blind users?

Post by Danielx64 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:48 am

I'm not sure why that happen, and there are other icons missing, including the one to send a user a pn and so on.

Maybe phpbb should go back to linking images like they did in subsilver? Or atlease put in text for some of those icons? I see that it done on new topic and so on, why not do it for the reply with quote, edit, report post and so on
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Re: Have anyone tested this for blind users?

Post by Ishimaru Chiaki » Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:50 am

That's the problem with the use of CSS instead of <img /> (with alt="" correctly filled) for pics that bear information. Up to now, even the fanciest tweak cannot replace the good ol' alt="" which is still the most accessible way to replace images when they cannot be displayed or loaded. By disabling images while keeping the style enabled (you can do it in your Firefox preferences, or via Web Developer toolbar), which reproduces the situation of loading issues or disabling images for people having a slow connection or situation like Daniel's, you can reproduce this accessibility issue.

If needed, I'll try to call some Alsacréations members to explain you that.
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Re: Have anyone tested this for blind users?

Post by Ishimaru Chiaki » Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:54 am

Ishimaru Chiaki wrote:That's the problem with the use of CSS instead of <img /> (with alt="" correctly filled) for pics that bear information. Up to now, even the fanciest tweak cannot replace the good ol' alt="" which is still the most accessible way to replace images when they cannot be displayed or loaded. By disabling images while keeping the style enabled (you can do it in your Firefox preferences, or via Web Developer toolbar), which reproduces the situation of loading issues or disabling images for people having a slow connection or situation like Daniel's, you can reproduce this accessibility issue.

If needed, I'll try to call some Alsacréations members to explain you that.
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*Daniel wrote:I'm not sure why that happen, and there are other icons missing, including the one to send a user a pn and so on.

Maybe phpbb should go back to linking images like they did in subsilver? Or atlease put in text for some of those icons? I see that it done on new topic and so on, why not do it for the reply with quote, edit, report post and so on
I prefer the first solution. About the new topic thingie, if we try to use a transparent button like I do in my styles, the texts are visible and we have to hide them by adding <br /><br /> and so, we go back to the same accessibility issue when the pics are disabled while the style is enabled.
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Re: Have anyone tested this for blind users?

Post by Danielx64 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:11 am

Ishimaru Chiaki wrote:
Ishimaru Chiaki wrote:That's the problem with the use of CSS instead of <img /> (with alt="" correctly filled) for pics that bear information. Up to now, even the fanciest tweak cannot replace the good ol' alt="" which is still the most accessible way to replace images when they cannot be displayed or loaded. By disabling images while keeping the style enabled (you can do it in your Firefox preferences, or via Web Developer toolbar), which reproduces the situation of loading issues or disabling images for people having a slow connection or situation like Daniel's, you can reproduce this accessibility issue.

If needed, I'll try to call some Alsacréations members to explain you that.
EDIT :
*Daniel wrote:I'm not sure why that happen, and there are other icons missing, including the one to send a user a pn and so on.

Maybe phpbb should go back to linking images like they did in subsilver? Or atlease put in text for some of those icons? I see that it done on new topic and so on, why not do it for the reply with quote, edit, report post and so on
I prefer the first solution. About the new topic thingie, if we try to use a transparent button like I do in my styles, the texts are visible and we have to hide them by adding <br /><br /> and so, we go back to the same accessibility issue when the pics are disabled while the style is enabled.
In the end the only way of dealing with this is by going back to <img /> (with alt="" correctly filled). You can keep the look and layout, but please fix up the "new topic" button and so on.

Thankyou Ishimaru Chiaki for standing up for me :) (Sorry I don't know your name)
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Re: Have anyone tested this for blind users?

Post by Danielx64 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:05 am

Just a quick update, I've also created a topic over at area51 to talk about how phpbb can fix this issues, and look at ways of solving this issue.

Link to thread: http://area51.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic ... 08&t=36840
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New accessible theme for PhpBB

Post by Francesco_Sardegna » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:02 pm

Good morning to everybody,

I just developed and released an accessible theme for PhpBB regarding Italian law 4/2004 and Wcag 2.0 guidelines.

The download of the English version is at http://4elementi.info/forum/styles/accessible.zip

Hope it may be helpful

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Re: New accessible theme for PhpBB

Post by Danielx64 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:52 am

Francesco_Sardegna wrote:Good morning to everybody,

I just developed and released an accessible theme for PhpBB regarding Italian law 4/2004 and Wcag 2.0 guidelines.

The download of the English version is at http://4elementi.info/forum/styles/accessible.zip

Hope it may be helpful

Francesco

Hi there, I will test this out in the next day or 2, I been rather busy.

Thankyou for having a go at solving this issue :)
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Re: Have anyone tested this for blind users?

Post by Ishimaru Chiaki » Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:04 pm

@Daniel : Have you tested the Visio style for which I gave the link on the area51 topic yet ?

I give it again : http://forums.phpbb-fr.com/aide-a-la-cr ... 71354.html
The topic is in French but the download link is clearly visible. It would be nice if the French team had return from actual blind or partially sighted users.
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