Arty wrote:And my opinion is that most posters in this thread want stuff, but they are too lazy or incompetent to create it themselves and blame phpBB developers for it.
Always feel's good when a staff member call's 90% of the community incompetent and the other majority lazy. I mean really, did you honestly just say that about the users who use this software? Did you possibly fathom that people somewhat might not have the skills to actually produce mods, patches, hotfixes or things of this nature before saying something as arrogant as you did?
Malphas wrote:Seriously? Are we really going back to "do it yourself or shut up", "it's free, what do you expect?" and "it's done when it's done" mentality? Wasn't that one of the major problems in the 2.0.x days?
Of course they did, they even claimed in 3 they got rid of the problem which created such a thing. In fact it seem's the problem is well still there. "Shocker"
No offense to anyone on the phpBB team, but personally i could run the management aspect better then most of you can. It's not a poke but it's the truth. You guys expect to build community yet really offer no solid software. It's not about what users want it's what the net is changing to. This software at one point used to dominate over all forum software, but sadly its dropped and isn't even considered by most anymore.
Even the crappiest software online has 98% of the features that phpBB doesn't even have yet. You guys are falling behind. You sit here call people incompetent, then point the finger at us. That's deplorable at it's best and you guys are wondering why people are leaving? Or is it the fact you guys actually need help from people who actually know what they are doing because indeed you guys directly do not know how to implement these things in?
MyBB free = Sadly security wise it's bad, but they are active patch bugs and are on the ball and have more progressive features then phpBB.
Smf = same as mybb in aspect, without all the security issues.
These are free products, open source, and yet they manage to develop the software with no issue? You guys have a bigger team then both of them and still cannot produce something quite as valid and it's sad. Instead you point the finger back at us and say it's us being lazy or incompetent? I love phpBB i really do, but you guys are just drilling this sh*t into the ground.
So to sum this all up, if your on the phpBB team and you cannot produce solid work for free, expect money then get off the team and let the project actually begin to grow again. Otherwise if none of you haven't learn from even the 2.0 days most of your users will just keep leaving and you guys will just continue to re-invent the wheel.
Asking us for help is one thing, pointing it back at us is entirely a different story.