Son of a Beach wrote:
Pony99CA wrote:If there's going to be a takeover/merge, why shouldn't the most popular board system take over the other? phpBB is (supposedly) the most popular and its programmers know how to write more secure code. Why doesn't myBB fold and have its programmers help phpBB implement plug-ins and an excellent migration path?
I hope you're not seriously suggesting that when two projects, companies, whatever, merge that the resulting project should be based on the most popular one at the expense of what is the best one. That does not sound like a sensible approach to me. Surely the better one should not be scrapped just because it's not as popular. Note that I'm not saying (here) that one is better than the other, just that deciding on which product should take over the other based on which is most popular seems to me to be a bad idea.
Popularity is important, too -- not for its own sake,though. For example, presuming that phpBB is more popular than myBB, it probably also has more users (not admins -- readers like us). No matter how easy your proposed "merge" made it for admins to convert their phpBB boards to myBB, I doubt that the user experience would be converged. Users would still have to get used to the myBB user interface. Forcing X million myBB users to get used to phpBB is less onerous than forcing Y million phpBB users to get used to myBB presuming Y > X.
As you didn't make a real case for which is the "better" board, why shouldn't the deciding factor be popularity (AKA user base size)?
Of course, there are many instances where the more popular and arguably inferior product beat the less popular and arguably superior product -- VHS beating Beta and Windows beating OS/2, for example.
Son of a Beach wrote:If you're talking about myBB in particular, then there are very good reasons why they should not fold into phpBB and help implement plug-ins and an excellent migration path. Firstly, there is no plug in system for phpBB. I think that would be reason enough. But even once 3.1 is released, and the new plugin system is tried and proven, phpBB would most likely still suffer from the same slow development cycle. Until proven otherwise, this should be expected. As you suggest (below), the myBB developers my lose interest and walk away afterwards, leaving phpBB with the same development team, and the same slow development cycle.
First, I believe that there IS a plug-in system for phpBB -- it just hasn't been released. You can presumably grab the code and check it out if you want. (I know that's not what you meant, but still....)
Second, not having a plug-in system released obviously isn't reason enough. If it were, wouldn't more phpBB users have already migrated? You made it sound like it's fairly straightforward to move from phpBB to myBB, so why aren't users doing it in droves? Plug-ins will be great (maybe I'll even install some instead of sticking to my no MOD policy), but they're not everything.
Third, regarding development speed, adding the myBB developers would presumably increase the speed of getting phpBB 3.1 out the door. Isn't that your basic complaint -- things aren't moving fast enough?
Finally, whether myBB developers walk away is different than whether phpBB developers do. In your scenario, there was really no further use for phpBB developers after they helped myBB create migration tools and added whatever phpBB features that myBB was missing. In my scenario, the myBB developers would still be useful, developing officially-supported plug-ins and/or adding new features to phpBB. (Yes, the phpBB developers could do the same for myBB, but that wasn't the scenario that you presented.)
Son of a Beach wrote:Working the other way around, myBB has a much more responsive development cycle, and already has a tried and tested plug in system.
And more security issues. You really don't seem to get how important that is. I had a phpBB 2.x board hacked because of a major security bug (and a lack of checking for updates on my part at the time
Son of a Beach wrote:
Note that if I'd submitted this 'PS.' post on myBB, this post would automatically be merged with my previous post (with a <hr> between the contents of the two original posts) - if nobody else posted in between my two posts - within a configured time threshold.
Or, if you'd just edited your original post like you're supposed to instead of bumping after all of six minutes
, the issue would be moot.
Son of a Beach wrote:
It is interesting to note, though, that in all the many responses here, I've not seen a single argument against my proposition that I find remotely convincing. Just the expected stuff.
I'm sure you'll find a lot of other reasons to reassure yourselves that the product your using or involved with and their current road map is the best way forward. Unfortunately none of the reasons presented so far made any impact on my views at all.
The fact that you
don't find the arguments convincing isn't really important -- it's what the phpBB user base as a whole finds convincing.
EDITED: Removed comments about the OP abandoning this topic as he seems to have decided to at least occasionally check in here and respond to comments.
Enjoy myBB (and let's hope that you don't get hacked).