[Discuss] phpBB Release, Security and Support Plan

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Re: [Discuss] phpBB Release, Security and Support Plan

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Korkel wrote:I've got some questions about the 3.0.X versions.

May 2015 - 3.0.x End of Maintenance < Will that mean the Styles/MODs forums will be closed or how must I see this next month?
End of Maintenance - End of Maintenance means, that we will no longer fix bugs in this version. Only security patches and security releases will be made available. New extensions and styles will not be accepted for this version anymore. Updates to published extensions and styles will still be validated.
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And furthermore:
Release and update policy wrote:When phpBB 3.0 has reached EOM the above will apply and new modificiations (MODs) will no longer be accepted for submission into the customisation database whilst updates to existing MODs will be allowed. No new topics will be allowed in the MOD Reqeusts or MODs in Development forums. When 3.0 has reached EOL no new MOD updates will be permitted, they will be hidden from Titania (although downloadable still through the MOD Releases Forum) and the MOD 3.0 forums will be locked.
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naderman wrote:Currently the planned schedule is as follows:
•Nov 2014 - 3.1.0 Release
•May 2015 - 3.0.x End of Maintenance
•Nov 2015 - 3.0.x End of Life, 3.2.0 Release
•May 2016 - 3.1.x End of Maintenance
•Nov 2016 - 3.1.x End of Life, 3.3.0 Release
•May 2017 - 3.2.x End of Maintenance
Given that there are no "End of Support" dates there, does that mean that phpBB 3.0.x will be supported at least through May 2017? Or does it just mean that the EOS date hasn't been decided yet?

I also agree with some that 6 months seems a bit early for End of Maintenance. How long was phpBB 2.0 maintained after 3.0 was released?

If I were doing this, I'd have EOM at one year after the new 3.x release, EOL at two years after and EOS at 3 years after.

Finally, I presume that exceptions can be made if, for example, phpBB 3.2.0 doesn't actually release in November 2015 or if phpBB 3.1.x was released on 5/31/2016 but introduced a critical bug.

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Pony99CA wrote:Given that there are no "End of Support" dates there, does that mean that phpBB 3.0.x will be supported at least through May 2017? Or does it just mean that the EOS date hasn't been decided yet?
phpBB Release, Security and Support Plan wrote:Currently there are no specific End of Support dates but the Support Team will support the versions at the very least until the End of Life of the respective version. Support may be provided past this point and the support team will give at least 6 months notice before the End of Support for a particular version.
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End of Maintenance = no more minor updates or code updates. Critical bugs and security exploits will still be fixed, but there will be no more minor versions, cosmetic fixes or fixes that aren't critical. This doesn't mean support will stop.

End of Life = no more updates or fixes. They still may patch major exploits. This still doesn't mean support will stop - that's up to phpBB.

"Extended support" can be offered for as long as they deem necessary. Remember Windows 98 extended support only ended in 2006 (8 years later) and Windows XP didn't end until 2014 (13 years later)? I am by no measure comparing phpBB to Windows, but that's just an example.
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Stallyon wrote:End of Maintenance = no more minor updates or code updates. Critical bugs and security exploits will still be fixed, but there will be no more minor versions, cosmetic fixes or fixes that aren't critical.
That part about "critical bugs" seems like a big assumption on your part.
naderman wrote:End of Maintenance means, that we will no longer fix bugs in this version. Only security patches and security releases will be made available.
That sounds like no bug fixes other than security patches will be made, regardless of how "critical" somebody thinks the bugs may be.
Stallyon wrote:End of Life = no more updates or fixes. They still may patch major exploits.
That "may" also seems like a big assumption on your part.
naderman wrote:End of Life means, that no security patches will be provided anymore.
That sounds like no patches will be made, period.

I'm sure that they can do both if they want to, but I wouldn't count on it. And as I don't see a phpBB Team badge in your profile, I think that people should be skeptical of your interpretation unless a team member concurs.

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Has this timetable slipped already?

May 2015 has come and gone but there has been no announcement about EOM for 3.0 and MODS are still being accepted into the Mods database.
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david63 wrote:Has this timetable slipped already?

May 2015 has come and gone but there has been no announcement about EOM for 3.0 and MODS are still being accepted into the Mods database.
Thanks for the reminder. The MODs in Development and MOD Requests forums are now set to not allow new topics as announced. The CDB shouldn't allow new contributions either.

MOD updates are still allowed.
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Shouldn't there be a sticky thread in those forums so users will know the policy and why they can't submit new requests / mods?
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koraldon wrote:Shouldn't there be a sticky thread in those forums so users will know the policy and why they can't submit new requests / mods?
There is - it is in the "Forum rules" panel
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Re: [Discuss] phpBB Release, Security and Support Plan

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Hello,
by DavidIQ » Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:41 am

As announced, the permissions for the 3.0.x MOD Requests and the 3.0.x MODs in Development forums have now been modified to not allow new topics to be created, although replies are still allowed. New MODs will no longer be accepted into the CDB from this point forward. We will only be allowing updates to already approved MODs.

P.S. MODs that are still in the queue will be processed accordingly. If they are denied no further submissions for it will be accepted if the MOD does not meet the above stated requirements.

viewtopic.php?p=14098361#p14098361
Apparently one has judged the time factor, which is operators to switch to 3.0.14 or higher 3.1.x available wrong? :cry: In which forum area, a change must therefore be discussed from 3.0 to 3.1. ?

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Talk19Zehn wrote:Hello,
Apparently one has judged the time factor, which is operators to switch to 3.1.x available wrong? :cry:
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Talk19Zehn wrote:Apparently one has judged the time factor, which is operators to switch to 3.0.14 or higher 3.1.x available wrong? :cry: In which forum area, a change must therefore be discussed from 3.0 to 3.1. ?

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Hi DavidIQ and yeah, I have your contribution misunderstood and apologize my mistake gladly. At first I was pretty confused. Sorry!
Now I looked directly .. here: viewforum.php?f=81

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What I am hoping is that when the updates come for 3.2 from 3.1 and so on, that the extensions will still work. otherwise it will be a huge challenge getting them to work again and once more the mod authors will have to update/port the mods over to 3.2.x. The fact that the design and ability of 3.1 has got me intrigued is something, but I am curious if the mods from 3.1 will work on 3.2 and so on.

Once others have a board, and I have been running phpBB since 2006 and at the time I was running 2.0.23, I know how incredibly complex and frustrating mod installs can be although they have been made easier by virtue of the "extensions" instead of faffing about modifying code in many of the different files, which can take a novice like myself ages to complete. The Advanced Block Mod took me 90 minutes to install, and now it would be great as an extension to 3.1.x. That mod in my view is a sure fire way to keep spammers trying to post thier drivel about illegal and fake products on your board. I have had 3 people get through that mod, but they never activated the account and so never posted, I just banned the IP and email and reported it as a spammer with the mod giving me that ability.

My point is that the mods that are available for one version should be made to work on another, or ported as an extension to the new version. I am sure that a huge number of phpBB users will agree with me on this point. I understand and accept that it is not always possible, but I am sure that mods for say phpBB 3.0.x can be ported to 3.1.x and 3.2.x and so on?

I believe that the additions will be a benefit to the phpBB community and as a whole, widen the features that phpBB can have and enhance its ability at the same time.

Note, I am not able to port over the mods as I have very little knowledge of the php code and am only able to do basic things, like update my boards, and modify simple HTML code on the style files. I am sure this is understandable.
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