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Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:05 pm
by VSE
david63 wrote:
VSE wrote:FWIW, I did two updates and in both cases was, upon completion, sent to the new Help Support phpBB page where you can opt-out of using VigLink.
But you only get redirected if you are logged in as an Admin when you do the update/upgrade.
You can update while not being logged in? Has that always been the case??

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:07 pm
by HiFiKabin
VSE wrote:
david63 wrote:
VSE wrote:FWIW, I did two updates and in both cases was, upon completion, sent to the new Help Support phpBB page where you can opt-out of using VigLink.
But you only get redirected if you are logged in as an Admin when you do the update/upgrade.
You can update while not being logged in? Has that always been the case??
I *think* that it has always been the case with 3.1.x (though with my memory who knows)

I was not logged on for my 4 upgrades today (various testing not live fora)

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:49 pm
by Marshalrusty
david63 wrote:But you only get redirected if you are logged in as an Admin when you do the update/upgrade.

And the process is an "opt out" not an "opt in" as is being implied by both Marc and Marshalrusty.
The intended behavior is to require the administrator to make an affirmative decision, so this is just a bug.

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:59 pm
by david63
VSE wrote:You can update while not being logged in? Has that always been the case??
If you update with file replacement - yes.
Marshalrusty wrote:The intended behavior is to require the administrator to make an affirmative decision, so this is just a bug.
That is OK then - but, in my opinion, it should be "opt in" and not "opt out"

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:28 pm
by invenio
Sounds like VigLink can bring in some support revenue for phpBB. I think this is a good thing

I have one question. How come there is no "donate" button on the phpBB website? If all the users who used the software donated just $5 a year, the need for ads may not be needed at all.

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:17 am
by scootergrisen
invenio wrote:If all the users who used the software donated just $5 a year
That would be 2.384.785 $ per year just for this board alone.

How about a progress bar so we can see how much people donate on top of the website and ask people to donate?
Like on http://www.fsf.org/
I like to see the progress bar, it feels like we are going somewhere. If it moves that is.

You can set a goal for 6 months and let it run and see how maybe will be donated.
If the bar does not reach the goal you write "Donate or VigLink extension will be enabled but default".

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:23 am
by 3Di
scootergrisen wrote: "Donate or VigLink extension will be enabled but default".
For what I read it here, it's already enabled by default.

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:41 am
by Marshalrusty
scootergrisen wrote:
invenio wrote:If all the users who used the software donated just $5 a year
That would be 2.384.785 $ per year just for this board alone.

How about a progress bar so we can see how much people donate on top of the website and ask people to donate?
Like on http://www.fsf.org/
I like to see the progress bar, it feels like we are going somewhere. If it moves that is.
If all users donated $5, then we wouldn't have a problem. The reality is that unfortunately donations are never as forthcoming as people hope. Wikipedia famously states during their donation drive that if everyone reading their website at that particular moment gave $3, they would immediately hit their targets, and yet the drives last for weeks. In short, while I'm not saying that we'll never accept donations, it would not provide the steady revenue stream that our organization needs.
scootergrisen wrote:You can set a goal for 6 months and let it run and see how maybe will be donated.
If the bar does not reach the goal you write "Donate or VigLink extension will be enabled but default".
Forcing VigLink on administrators who refuse to send us money is out of the question.

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:47 am
by david63
Just as an aside - VigLink does not inspire a lot of confidence at the moment with their website which, to me, appears to missing some .css files.

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:49 am
by HiFiKabin
david63 wrote:Just as an aside - VigLink does not inspire a lot of confidence at the moment with their website which, to me, appears to missing some .css files.
I'm glad you said that David. I thought it was just me

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:50 am
by Marshalrusty
david63 wrote:Just as an aside - VigLink does not inspire a lot of confidence at the moment with their website which, to me, appears to missing some .css files.
Loads just fine for me.

Have you tried turning it off and back on again? :)

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:58 am
by david63
Marshalrusty wrote:Have you tried turning it off and back on again?
Turning what off/on?

All I am doing is going to https://www.viglink.com/

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:00 pm
by Marshalrusty
Ah, I see what you mean. Looks like there's a problem when visiting the site over SSL, but it loads fine over http.

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:36 pm
by Pond Life
Marshalrusty wrote: In short, while I'm not saying that we'll never accept donations, it would not provide the steady revenue stream that our organization needs.
Why not do both, the (optional) extension and paypal donations? I will never have advertising/affiliates on my site but I would donate if the option were available. Given the number of posts on this site from people wanting to monetize their forums for their own benefit, I suspect the majority will happily take the money for themselves rather than it benefiting the phpBB organisation.

Re: Discuss: phpBB to ship with VigLink extension

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:12 pm
by invenio
Pond Life wrote:
Marshalrusty wrote: In short, while I'm not saying that we'll never accept donations, it would not provide the steady revenue stream that our organization needs.
Why not do both, the (optional) extension and paypal donations? I will never have advertising/affiliates on my site but I would donate if the option were available. Given the number of posts on this site from people wanting to monetize their forums for their own benefit, I suspect the majority will happily take the money for themselves rather than it benefiting the phpBB organisation.
This really would be optimal. I will never have advertisements on my forum. However, I would be happy to donate a small sum on a yearly basis for the continued support and time that the developers put into this project.