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Re: PhpBB vs Vbulletin vs xenforo

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WWu777 wrote:
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Is that true? Is phpbb years behind Xenforo? If so, when will phpbb catch up? And why is it behind? Surely the developers at phpbb have all the latest knowledge in server technology, coding, HTML and software design right?
I'm not going to compare the two but the people that work on this project are volunteers. They have other jobs and work on this in their spare time. You pay nothing for that.
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Re: PhpBB vs Vbulletin vs xenforo

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Is that true? Is phpbb years behind Xenforo? If so, when will phpbb catch up? And why is it behind? Surely the developers at phpbb have all the latest knowledge in server technology, coding, HTML and software design right?
That post was made on Apr 30, 2014 and is specifically about phpBB3.1 :idea:
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and, it is not a competition. there is very little in common between phpBB and xenforo other than the fact that they are both bulletin boards.

they are aimed at different type of users.


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warmweer wrote:
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WWu777 wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 6:24 am
Is that true? Is phpbb years behind Xenforo? If so, when will phpbb catch up? And why is it behind? Surely the developers at phpbb have all the latest knowledge in server technology, coding, HTML and software design right?
That post was made on Apr 30, 2014 and is specifically about phpBB3.1 :idea:
So what Artodia said is no longer true then? In regards to phpbb3.3? What did he mean by "years behind" though? Behind in terms of what exactly? Technology? Coding? Any idea? Has phpbb caught up? He wasn't just talking about permalinks right? Probably something related to coding or structured HTML or something like that.
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In case you also ask all your questions at Artodia and Google and XenForo: what are their answers?
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The crew, manpower goes different ways on phpBB and numerous contributing developers etc. have withdrawn.

phpBB is free of charge and adjustments are relatively possible, require knowledge. The mediation and the newer recurring changes will change with the release of phpBB-4.0?

So the question is not what should be rated more positively. The individual concept decides, at least I think.
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XenForo 1 was nice looking when it first came 9 years ago. I don't like the default look of XenForo 2 now though, and it's clear years later on that they are struggling to keep pace with WoltLab and especially ISP (Invision)
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Hi everyone, I was wondering. Since phpbb doesn't use permalinks like xenforo does, what if I install SEO extensions like this one below the phpbb extension database, which should improve megatags, structured data, schema, etc per the standards of HTML5? Would that compensate and improve Google rankings? What do you all think?

https://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/exte ... o_metadata
Add dynamically generated meta tags and microdata (Open Graph, Twitter Cards and JSON-LD) of your forums and topics to improve SEO of your board and show correct information when you share it though social networks, including (but not limited to) Facebook, Twitter and Vkontakte.

Features:
Dynamically generated Open Graph, Twitter Cards meta tags and JSON-LD microdata from your board data and current page
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Requirements:
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Has anyone here installed that SEO extension on their board? If so, did it make a difference in your Google ranking or SEO or site traffic?

One of my competitor sites using xenforo seems to have structured data and metatags in his forum. When I view the source code of one of his threads, I see this:

view-source:https://www.rooshvforum.com/threads/wel ... -ii.37354/

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<title>Welcome to RVF II | Roosh V Forum</title>

<meta name="description" content="I just spent the day migrating what was left of RVF I (special thanks to @Nineteen84 for assisting me with the migration). You can see the RVF I archive at..." />

<meta property="og:description" content="I just spent the day migrating what was left of RVF I (special thanks to @Nineteen84 for assisting me with the migration). You can see the RVF I archive at https://www.rooshvforum.com/archive. It won&#039;t be online forever, so grab anything you need from there by July.

As you can see, Xenforo..." />

<meta property="twitter:description" content="I just spent the day migrating what was left of RVF I (special thanks to @Nineteen84 for assisting me with the migration). You can see the RVF I archive at https://www.rooshvforum.com/archive. It..." />
	
<meta property="og:url" content="https://www.rooshvforum.com/threads/welcome-to-rvf-ii.37354/" />
	
<link rel="canonical" href="https://www.rooshvforum.com/threads/welcome-to-rvf-ii.37354/" />
	
<link rel="next" href="/threads/welcome-to-rvf-ii.37354/page-2" />
	
<meta property="og:site_name" content="Roosh V Forum" />
	
<meta property="og:type" content="website" />
	
<meta property="og:title" content="Welcome to RVF II" />

<meta property="twitter:title" content="Welcome to RVF II" />
	
<meta name="theme-color" content="#185886" />
I noticed that his structured data and meta tags contain stuff targeted to twitter and og and whatever. So that makes a huge difference in SEO and SERP? Is that what you call HTML5 too? Is that also called structured data?

I'm not a programmer so I'm new to all this stuff. I only found out about it recently, that's why I'm asking for some expert advice on this from programmers. Does all this stuff really matter to Google as some claim it does?
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Re: PhpBB vs Vbulletin vs xenforo

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Don't waste your time trying to alter the the SEO of phpBB, Google knows how to index stock phpBB sites just fine as they are. There is no need to do it, and you may cause more harm than good - and honestly google isn't indexing forums now like it used to do years ago. Google seem to have a problem these day with wanting to index forums - it see them as not worth indexing nowadays unless you run huge a forum like reddit, or some Q/A type site or blog.

It's just not worth even putting in the effort these days because of the way Google shuns forum now
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Don't waste your time trying to alter the the SEO of phpBB, Google knows how to index stock phpBB sites just fine as they are. There is no need to do it, and you may cause more harm than good - and honestly google isn't indexing forums now like it used to do years ago. Google seem to have a problem these day with wanting to index forums - it see them as not worth indexing nowadays unless you run huge a forum like reddit, or some Q/A type site or blog.

It's just not worth even putting in the effort these days because of the way Google shuns forum now
I heard about that too. That Google is devaluing forums now and promoting news sites instead by upping their rankings. It's very sad and unfortunate. But when I tried to look for an official announcement or article from Google about this, I couldn't find one. Can you show me an official Google announcement about its devaluation of forums in rankings? Or is this an unofficial fact that webmasters just know from results? How did you find out about it?
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mrgtb wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:02 pm
Don't waste your time trying to alter the the SEO of phpBB, Google knows how to index stock phpBB sites just fine as they are. There is no need to do it, and you may cause more harm than good - and honestly google isn't indexing forums now like it used to do years ago. Google seem to have a problem these day with wanting to index forums - it see them as not worth indexing nowadays unless you run huge a forum like reddit, or some Q/A type site or blog.

It's just not worth even putting in the effort these days because of the way Google shuns forum now
As soon as the title or content is related to something widespread such as phpBB, the Google [bot] appears diligently. Even if the forum in question runs under a subdomain. Even when nothing much news is happening. It is amazing how quickly the Google bot shows up after I added something new.
In my old forum Bing [Bot] & Google [Bot] also come daily and stay for a long time, although hardly any new topics are created. Everything I have inserted in this sitemap was crawled by Google. (The forum is about well-known music keyboard brands. But it has few members)

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Re: PhpBB vs Vbulletin vs xenforo

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mrgtb wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:02 pm
Don't waste your time trying to alter the the SEO of phpBB, Google knows how to index stock phpBB sites just fine as they are. There is no need to do it, and you may cause more harm than good - and honestly google isn't indexing forums now like it used to do years ago. Google seem to have a problem these day with wanting to index forums - it see them as not worth indexing nowadays unless you run huge a forum like reddit, or some Q/A type site or blog.

It's just not worth even putting in the effort these days because of the way Google shuns forum now
Btw, I forgot to add, I'm sure Google knows how to index phpbb forums. Google is a smart AI and has no problems indexing forums like phpbb. However, the issue is whether structured data, schema markups, and HTML5 metatags boost your ranking significantly in search engines like Google. Some webmasters claim they do. For example, this top SEO expert said:

https://neilpatel.com/blog/get-started-using-schema/
One of the latest evolutions in SEO is called schema markup. This new form of optimization is one of the most powerful but least-utilized forms of SEO available today. Once you grasp the concept and method of schema markup, you can boost your website in the search engine result pages (SERPs).
He explains in the page above what schema markup and structured data is, as well as rich snippets. I think it looks like this:

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<title>Welcome to RVF II | Roosh V Forum</title>

<meta name="description" content="I just spent the day migrating what was left of RVF I (special thanks to @Nineteen84 for assisting me with the migration). You can see the RVF I archive at..." />

<meta property="og:description" content="I just spent the day migrating what was left of RVF I (special thanks to @Nineteen84 for assisting me with the migration). You can see the RVF I archive at https://www.rooshvforum.com/archive. It won&#039;t be online forever, so grab anything you need from there by July.

As you can see, Xenforo..." />

<meta property="twitter:description" content="I just spent the day migrating what was left of RVF I (special thanks to @Nineteen84 for assisting me with the migration). You can see the RVF I archive at https://www.rooshvforum.com/archive. It..." />
	
<meta property="og:url" content="https://www.rooshvforum.com/threads/welcome-to-rvf-ii.37354/" />
	
<link rel="canonical" href="https://www.rooshvforum.com/threads/welcome-to-rvf-ii.37354/" />
	
<link rel="next" href="/threads/welcome-to-rvf-ii.37354/page-2" />
	
<meta property="og:site_name" content="Roosh V Forum" />
	
<meta property="og:type" content="website" />
	
<meta property="og:title" content="Welcome to RVF II" />

<meta property="twitter:title" content="Welcome to RVF II" />
	
<meta name="theme-color" content="#185886" />
Or this:

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Are any of you familiar with this? If so, does stuff like this really boost your SEO and search engine ranking in Google? Does anyone have experience with this and seen that it made a big difference?

Also, will future versions of phpbb utilize stuff like this? Has it been discussed?

That's what I'm wondering. I recently heard about all this stuff like "structured data, schema markup, and rich snippets" so I didn't know about it before either. It sounds like something new.
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Also, will future versions of phpbb utilize stuff like this? Has it been discussed?
If it has been discussed then that discussion will have taken place on Area51 - have you checked there?
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