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[Marshalrusty]

If coding using symphony is what kiddie do then why don't you make your own forums? It's all so easy.

Frameworks are for cranking out projects without having to put together all the glue. In 20 years a project should have its own code base. You build a website with bootstrap, and over time you rip it out and replace it with your own collection of components. symfony didn't exist before 2007. Who adds a framework to a 7 year old project?

Your explanation of how frameworks are supposed to work gives me mild anxiety symptoms.

If I may ask, are you a professional developer? What do you work on?

[stevemaury]

Please tell us where you see an indication that 3.2.x is EOL, because it isn't.

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phpBB 3.2 will directly enter a reduced maintenance mode during which it will only receive changes for major issues as well as any security issues. The timetable for maintenance and security fixes is as follows:

• End of Maintenance (EOM): April 6th, 2020
• End of Life (EOL): July 6th, 2020

EOL for security fixes, not support.

[RMcGirr83]

They''re doing an EOL while still planning another release, and they haven't tested most of the extensions for 3.3. These are all good reasons to take a snapshot of the product and support it yourself. These are guys moving on without concern for the customer base, which is pretty typical in open source projects.

It isn't up to phpBB to test extensions with an upgrade as they aren't responsible for 98% of the extensions anyway (the exception being the ones that are made specifically by phpBB team members). They validate them to ensure there aren't any security vulnerabilities and work as intended.

Further your statement concerning open source projects is just plain asinine.

FYI, PHP (1997) itself is open source, so is Laravel (2015), so is nginx (2004) and so is apache (1995).

Either of which, if without, you wouldn't be able to run any forum software package at all. Unless you were bound and determine to "re-create the wheel".

Your statements really show your complete lack of understanding on how open source actually works.

For the record I am neither supporting nor defending phpBB.

This from the guy with no cell phone who can't make minor modifications for his "clients". Replacing all files requires that you re-do all of your modifications; the more mods you've made the more work "upgrading" is.

And this coming from the guy who probably didn't have an Apple I (not sure what having a cell phone or not has anything to do with anything).

BTW, just about >all< forum software is such where editing core files isn't needed. Hacking core files is so 2000'ish. Get with the times!!

Newer is only better if it fixes something that is broken or adds something that you want.

Push button dial phones and land lines weren't, and still aren't, broken so your statement, again, is asinine. You WANT a cell phone that doesn't mean you have to have one.

There's really no point to using an open source project if you're not going to make any modifications; you might as well pay the $69 or whatever and use a commercial project that has real support.

Is someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use Open Source software (with the exception of PHP, Laravel, Nginx and Apache or whatever other Open Source software your host happens to be using)? Why not just move along and purchase whatever you like. vBulletin has always been a paid for forum software and it has issues all along the way (with some fixes taking an inordinate amount of time) so your logic, again, fails.

"The nubness is strong with this one. I can feel it!"

[Heo32]

EOL for security fixes, not support.

That was not clear to me. Good to know. By chance, does the phpBB team have a date in mind for the final EOL release of 3.2 by chance?

Based on the milestones indicating no updates applied for a 3.2.11 release, it looks like 3.2.10 may be the final release of the 3.2 series. Yet looking at the tracker indicates otherwise.

Can we expect a 3.2.11 release in the future with the listed bugs from the tracker fixed, and possibly further updates afterwards with security issues patched?

you're telling me to go to something commercial where I'm at the mercy of lesser programmers.

You must be one hell of a programmer to make such a bold statement comparing yourself to professionals that code forums for a living. Have you considered making your own forum software from scratch and competing with vBulletin, Xenforo, Invision Community and all the rest to show them how its done? If not, phpBB could really use someone with your skills.

[DavidIQ]

Can we expect a 3.2.11 release in the future with the listed bugs from the tracker fixed, and possibly further updates afterwards with security issues patched?

Not necessarily, no. As part of the release routine once a release is done for a version then any outstanding tickets for that version are simply moved in JIRA to the next possible version. The existence of a version in our tracker does not indicate that it will be created and released. For example you can find references in the history of some tickets to 3.1.13-RC1 yet that version never existed.

[Heo32]

Not necessarily, no. As part of the release routine once a release is done for a version then any outstanding tickets for that version are simply moved in JIRA to the next possible version. The existence of a version in our tracker does not indicate that it will be created and released. For example you can find references in the history of some tickets to 3.1.13-RC1 yet that version never existed.

Thank you.

[Mick]

How ridiculous is this project in general? They''re doing an EOL while still planning another release and they haven't tested most of the extensions for 3.3. These are all good reasons to take a snapshot of the product and support it yourself. These are guys moving on without concern for the customer base, which is pretty typical in open source projects.

You seem to have plenty to say on the project, both here and in other topics on the methods used at phpBB.com. Maybe you could suggest a better method for maintenance or updates? Or, better still, have a look in to helping instead of whining, I know they’re after Jr. Extension Validators at this moment, maybe you could start there?

[Maks33]

Frameworks are for cranking out projects without having to put together all the glue. In 20 years a project should have its own code base. You build a website with bootstrap, and over time you rip it out and replace it with your own collection of components. symfony didn't exist before 2007. Who adds a framework to a 7 year old project?

That's just your opinion with no basis in reality. There are countless professional websites which are based on frameworks even years later. Why re-create the wheel and waste money and time when there's already safer, optimized frameworks available for what you intend to do.

By your logic, you shouldn't use any forums open source or otherwise at all and instead code your own.

See how ridiculous that is?.

There a 3.3 demo. What specifically should I look at to see the great new features? Please point me so I can experience this great upgrade first hand. It looked pretty much the same to me the last time I looked at it.

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Someone called this a "major upgrade", but this doc says its a minor upgrade. This is all internal plumbing.

Support for latest PHP is pretty major and so is seo fixes not to mention the security fixes and other things here and there inside core. But this is phpbb. Like i said if you're looking for tons of new features, move on to xenforo etc.

[3Di]

In my opinion it's a troll who registered under a new name to avoid being recognized, he talked in his previous posts about experiences he had 14 years ago and so on. He is not able to go further in detail and does not answer questions asked to him on purpose, he freely insults those who work/contribute for/to the project. Whoever has the most, put some. I think ignoring him may be the cure, although I admit it's very difficult.

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[BarneyC]

Imagine having so little self-esteem and ability that you go around calling everyone who exposes how foolish you are a "troll" like it's 1995 or something. So amusing.

For you younger folks, "Trolls" where what the one-eyed men called the people who actually knew things. Mailing lists always had 1 "leader" who knew a bit more than everyone else, and everyone on the list thought he was oh-so special. Then an actual knowledgable person would come on and be appalled by the misinformation; and they'd point out how this leader was a clueless toad and that most of the info he was conveying was wrong. In order to save face, the leader would try to dismiss these people as "Trolls". The so-called trolls were actually the people who knew what they were talking about.

And these List "leaders" were called one-eyed men by real programmers, because as we know, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

I'm just surprised at how little this project has progressed in such a long time. It's better than OS Commerce

[BarneyC]

That's just your opinion with no basis in reality. There are countless professional websites which are based on frameworks even years later. Why re-create the wheel and waste money and time when there's already safer, optimized frameworks available for what you intend to do.

By your logic, you shouldn't use any forums open source or otherwise at all and instead code your own.

See how ridiculous that is?.

Right, because making something slow and clunky and difficult to maintain faster, more efficient and more modern is a waste of time and energy

There a 3.3 demo. What specifically should I look at to see the great new features? Please point me so I can experience this great upgrade first hand. It looked pretty much the same to me the last time I looked at it.

whatsnewphpbb3.jpg

Someone called this a "major upgrade", but this doc says its a minor upgrade. This is all internal plumbing.

Support for latest PHP is pretty major and so is seo fixes not to mention the security fixes and other things here and there inside core. But this is phpbb. Like i said if you're looking for tons of new features, move on to xenforo etc.

Anyone who upgrade PHP to run this doesn't understand what they're doing. Talk about wasting your time trying to support bleeding edge versions of PHP.

The things you describe are not features. They're internal maintenance. A feature is something that provides a new or better experience. My users don't give a rat's butt about SEO; most of which I've already changed myself as part of integrating the forums into a web site. You're still using smilies from 2002. The world has moved on and you guys are struggling to keep the thing running on the latest PHP. If the code was easier to manage (and there weren't over 4100 files) you wouldn't spend so much time on minutia.

[Kailey]

This topic died 9 months ago. I don't see why you felt the need to reply to it just to bash another user. Since there's no longer a discussion value, this topic is closed.