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Can I ask what has happened to this discussion?
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david63 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:08 am
Can I ask what has happened to this discussion?
I was going to ask the same thing. When clicking on it in my browser history, I get "the requested topic does not exist." I think they deleted it entirely. Why, I don't know.
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More than likely it was (and probably this topic will be) moved to a private forum. They, team members, do that when they don't want dirty laundry aired. A form of censorship really. :roll:
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RMcGirr83 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:05 pm
More than likely it was (and probably this topic will be) moved to a private forum. They, team members, do that when they don't want dirty laundry aired. A form of censorship really. :roll:
No, they deleted it. My post count went down and I get "the requested topic does not exist," not "you are not authorized to read this forum." They just permanently deleted the whole thing instead of merely moving it.

As for censorship, I agree. It's shady and if the topic was such a problem, a lock would have sufficed.
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The topic was indeed deleted. This was however not a conscious decision by the team and certainly not to hide or delete any form of discussion. We're currently looking at the technical means of restoring the topic and its posts. ;)

I would very much like to ask you all to stay kind and civil and not engage in any form of wild assumptions.
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I guess that makes sense. I keep on getting a 503 server unavailable error.
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Random American wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:43 pm
I guess that makes sense. I keep on getting a 503 server unavailable error.
That is actually unrelated, as I was fixing another bug we had on the website.
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Paul wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:45 pm
Random American wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:43 pm
I guess that makes sense. I keep on getting a 503 server unavailable error.
That is actually unrelated, as I was fixing another bug we had on the website.
Thanks for the update Paul. :)
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The topic was deleted by the author, I would assume as a reaction to the frustration some of us expressed at the way in which the discussion was raised and carried.

To be clear, nobody asked or implied that the topic should be deleted, as we obviously don't think that disappearing topics is the way to solve disagreements.

Personally, I don't think anything catastrophic happened. There were a couple of posts where I raised an eyebrow, and I think the general tone could have been more constructive. Having said that, I just don't think it's worthwhile to get offended over a topic about improving the documentation. Hopefully everyone made some mental notes and we all walked away having learned something about having more-productive discussions with other people across the highly-imperfect medium that is text. [As a side note, this was still nowhere near as bad as many of the political discussions I see on Facebook]. As far as I'm concerned, there is no need for anymore meta-discussion about who should have said what in a nicer way.

As far as bringing the topic back, this would require splicing in a database backup, which is too much work to be worthwhile (as much as Paul was jumping at the opportunity to spend a few hours of his life doing it). We do have screenshots, so will post those, and just carry on the discussion from there.

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Marshalrusty wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:09 pm
The topic was deleted by the author, I would assume as a reaction to the frustration some of us expressed at the way in which the discussion was raised and carried.
Respectfully, then that sounds like an abuse of power. I cannot even delete my own posts in this forum (even when I'm the last to post in a topic) yet that guy can just delete a topic and all of our posts within it because he doesn't like what people said about it? I get that he is a team member but come on. If he did it to enforce the rules of the site then I wouldn't be complaining, but this is him just not liking what people posted and deleting everything. That is censorship and it seems like you were also one of the people he censored. I'm not trying to be rude, but this raises eyebrows.
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Marshalrusty wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:09 pm
As far as bringing the topic back, this would require splicing in a database backup, which is too much work to be worthwhile (as much as Paul was jumping at the opportunity to spend a few hours of his life doing it). We do have screenshots, so will post those, and just carry on the discussion from there.
Just putting this back (largely for my own benefit) since it won't work in a screenshot:
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Marshalrusty wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:09 pm
We do have screenshots, so will post those, and just carry on the discussion from there.
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I am wondering if any record of the logs would confirm that the OP himself has deleted that topic.
This would certainly clean the air and allow to continue this important topic.
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I'm sure they checked the logs already and even so, I still think it to be an abuse of power. This ain't me posting in bad faith, it's just hard to see this as not a questionable action.
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phpBB has moderation logs, and that's what we looked at to see what happened.
Random American wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:29 pm
Respectfully, then that sounds like an abuse of power. I cannot even delete my own posts in this forum (even when I'm the last to post in a topic) yet that guy can just delete a topic and all of our posts within it because he doesn't like what people said about it? I get that he is a team member but come on. If he did it to enforce the rules of the site then I wouldn't be complaining, but this is him just not liking what people posted and deleting everything. That is censorship and it seems like you were also one of the people he censored. I'm not trying to be rude, but this raises eyebrows.
I'm not going to put words into Mick's mouth, but I think that what happened was he saw people were getting pissed off and tried to appease everyone by nuking the topic. This was not the right move, but an "abuse of power" is a stretch. We have to learn to forgive people for minor transgressions or we're going to find our community getting quite small, with only perfect people remaining.
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