Out of the box phpBB 3 is awful for SEO

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Re: Out of the box phpBB 3 is awful for SEO

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There was absolutely no need for the sly spam ;)

This is a discussion topic and not a support topic so you have no reason to post links to your mods or site :)
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Well if you feel like it, I have no problem with it, but to me it was not spam.

I answered the thread because I'm interested in SEO, told what I thought about the topic, and yes posted two links because it seemed to me that showing how well phpBB3 can be SEOed could be part of the answer.
Some time facts do tell more than words.

A link to a demo is not a link to a mod, and yes I posted a link to my SEO phpBB3 category, because I thought it's better to give the source code, or at least a way to grab it for people interested, especially talking about free mods.

In all case really was for convenience, believe me these two links will only miss to the ones wondering about this guy saying he worked on it.
I respect phpBB a lot, that's why I spend so much time on it, you could have really talked about spam if only these where not free, but they are, I do not earn a dime to dev these.

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If you host your own board, I'm sure you understand it when a board defines clear-cut rules to avoid having to decide whether something falls on one side of a boundary, or on the other.

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of course I do, and that's why I do not have anything against these links to be removed from here, I'm just saying that spam would, IMHO, apply a bit more for someone selling things, or worst drugs or porn, here we only talk about how "badly" (according to the topic title since I do not fully agree with it) phpBB3 is SEOed.

I only concluded on how well it could, not like a genuine off topic spam IMHO.

But then, it's a matter of words, and I agree that there is a kind of a grey zone between what is spam and what it is not, and that's it's up to the forum team to decide for these.

It's only that, [spam removed] means a bit more than what I did, again IMHO. I mean, I'm not a spammer even though I do not hesitate to post links when I feel they meet the topic.

Anyway, to go back to the topic, there is something I did not say about phpBB3 and SEO. It's about the bots handling.
The possibility given by the bots sessions handling are great, but in the same time, I'm wondering if it's really worth it, if not dangerous.
First because some miss settings could lead to SID being indexed by bots, and then because of the possibility given to give bots enough right to see what guest cannot see.
Bot recognition is quite some more work to do than to just check if cookies are accepted and get rid of sid for all guests.

Then, we all know webmasterworld uses a similar feature without trouble, but this could as well be treated as cloaking by SE's, because in the end you serve different content for bots and guests.
I really find this feature interesting, but I'm not sure I'll be the first one to use it. Google is just so secret about cloaking and blacklisting, I don't think one can have enough trust right know to just see how it goes. At least it would be taking some risks.

What do you think. Hard to tell at least if this feature does help out or not SEO wise.

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My two cents:

One of my members posted a new thread on Friday that contained a fairly unique phrase. This particular phase is the first and last name of a person who is currently in the news.

This morning I noticed two things:
  • Checking my web stats, this particular phrase has been the #1 search term for my web site since Friday.
  • Checking Google, my site ranks as #8 on the first page for this particular phrase.
This is not a phrase that ever appeared on my site before not one that I built content for in any way, shape or form.

I'm not sure how awful phpBB3 is for SEO, but I can live with those kinds of results. :)

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The bottom line is that search engine bots are far "smarter" than some people will have you believe. Do not forget that it is in the companies' best interest to index as many sites as possible. For the average phpBB user, the search engine optimization in phpBB3 is more than enough, and I personally respect the developers' decision to leave it as is.

Sure, it wouldn't hurt to make certain improvements, but there is no limit to how well anything can be done. If you want to go the extra mile in making your site particularly search engine friendly, there are plenty of resources to allow you to do this.
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Might I just add, that phpbb3 is substantially better in SEOness thank other leading bullitin board software ;)
All MOD downloads should be back now - Sorry for that and serious lack of support! - If anyone wants to take over or help with any of my MODs the offer would be apreciated as I have little time for phpBB Modding recently!

Again very sorry for not supporting these MODs recently.

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To get rid of these forum descriptions in viewtopic, just erase this in viewtopic_body.html:

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<!-- NOTE: remove the style="display: none" when you want to have the forum description on the topic body -->
<!-- IF FORUM_DESC --><span style="display: none">{FORUM_DESC}<br /></span><!-- ENDIF -->
(Don't forget to refresh your templates cache) And remove any style="display: none" in your templates, Google could penalize you. If you don't want to display a text, simply erase it, don't use style="display: none".

And instead of ranting, it would be better to open a thread with all the needed SEO tweakings for phpBB3 ;) There are URL, meta tags and title tweaks in the MODs development forum.

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SEO WISE, the forum description can be useful, I do not agree getting rid of it could be useful in all cases.

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dcz wrote:SEO WISE, the forum description can be useful, I do not agree getting rid of it could be useful in all cases.

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I'll keep it for viewforum (this makes sense), but not for viewtopic. It's not useful to have repeated content in every page. My first SEO rule is: if it's not useful for your users, it's not valid for SEO. First, usability and content; second, search engines. And I feel that Google shares this thought.

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You are right and that's why a small description of the forum could still be descriptive for both user and bots reading threads. This of course apply if the thread is related to the forum where it is posted.
It's just a bit more than repeating the forum title in topic pages.

It's of course a matter of point of view, but it's not necessarily something bad SEO wise, depending on your forum's content.

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Guys, my problem was that (with a previously well seo'd phpbb2) google decided to grab it's own description from the off board menu structure (existing site menu structure). I have come to the same conclusion that phpbb3 does nothing to address that as there was evidence of google displaying garbage in the description for this very message board itself!

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I'm willing to give phpbb3 the benefit of the doubt and let it go live today. My particular beef is that I have had to spend three days researching mods, digging out old phpbb2 mods, and then applying them to phpbb3.

If only phpbb3 had the simple tweaks already in it. If it had I would be singing the praises for the rest of the features it offers.

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Could you share those mods with us, please?

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Sure. Give me a day or two to check sites are indexing properly.

But for now I seriously recommend that if you haven't already done so you limit the permission of the bot group.....

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