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Re: phpbb3 vs vbulletin

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Just looking at the top 10 biggest boards isn't really very accurate.

It is true what sevsev says, most large active forums use vB.

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Re: Incorrect Comparison

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A_Jelly_Doughnut wrote:
Pony99CA wrote:Just FYI, I think the comparison of phpBB3 to vBulletin is incorrect regarding E-mail banning. I'm an admin on pocketnow.com, wich uses vB, and it most certainly does have E-mail banning. Is E-mail banning a mod on vB?
I don't know if it is a mod to vB or not...but the features page at vbulletin.com said nothing of email banning, so I took that as a no.
Fair enough. The features page does just say:
* User banning (by name & IP)
* Global ignore user aka 'Tachy goes to Coventry' - when enabled all posts by the specified user will be ignored/unseen by other members. Automatically added to the all users ignore lists
However, if I click vBulletin Options in the left nav bar of the admin page, then click User Banning Options in the box, I get a page with controls for IP address bans, E-mail bans and that "Tachy goes to Conventry" thing.

I also tried looking in the online manual for it, but didn't see any mention of the User Banning Options page. :? (I did find an interesting section on User Infractions, though....)

However, just to be fair, you may want to change that feature on the comparison chart to Yes unless it's proven to be a vB mod. It's possible they added E-mail banning but forgot to update the features page and manual.

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Re: phpbb3 vs vbulletin

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ShyMeg wrote:Yup, I agree. Just pointing out that GaiaOnline was made with phpBB.
Ah.
Jleagle wrote:Just looking at the top 10 biggest boards isn't really very accurate.

It is true what sevsev says, most large active forums use vB.
How do you know this? What we are going by is tangible numbers. If you have proof, by all means share, but until then, we are going by what we can prove. :)
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Re: phpbb3 vs vbulletin

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Well I'm talking about phpbb3 not bb2. And I wasn't targetting the top forums I was saying any large ones (there are 1000's), maybe it's just the forums I browse that seem to be more prone to being vb (mobile phones, pocketpcs, web marketing, car forums) but you have proven me some wrong eitherway.

The main reason for the original post is I'm planning a forum which I hope will end up being large, and want to do it with phpbb3, just needed some convincing I guess that I'm doing the right thing with bb3 :)
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Re: phpbb3 vs vbulletin

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I noticed that once you get past the first 25 is where you really see vb alot. Out of the top 2000 forums 1213 were vb and 235 phpbb
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vBulletin vs phpBB3... Well, vBulletin still has quite a few features in the administration side that phpBB3 doesn't have. Like the thread moderation capabilities are still superior to phpBB3, but I think that the major issue has always been a combination of security and ability to share information fast. phpBB3 seems to have gotten more spider bot friendly, and that's big! SEO is a major thing these days. Oddly, SEO is general knowledge, but people greatly overcharge for it. I've been quite skeptical of phpBB in all since that big bug where anyone could access the administration panel, but I'm sure they've probably not got anything as epic in phpBB3. If security doesn't remain an issue, then all phpBB3 will succeed, but lack of information sharing could be a downfall. The internet has stayed true to two things. Porn and the fast sharing of information. People drop anything below par in the fast sharing of information in most cases. vBulletin also seems to have a more comprehensive plugin system, I'm not sure though, because I don't have vBulletin. Anyways, phpBB3 will succeed for just being free to the public, but it'll greatly exceed in being #1 if it can keep true to more info, faster. RSS was a good move along with some search spider lovin!

Only thing I see putting it down is lack of a comprehensive moding system.

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Re: phpbb3 vs vbulletin

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sevsev wrote:Well I'm talking about phpbb3 not bb2.
Okay, but keep in mind that phpBB3 was just released a few days ago, so it will be some time before all phpBB2 boards get converted to phpBB3. :)
servsev wrote:And I wasn't targetting the top forums I was saying any large ones (there are 1000's), maybe it's just the forums I browse that seem to be more prone to being vb (mobile phones, pocketpcs, web marketing, car forums) but you have proven me some wrong eitherway.
True, but keep in mind that both vB and phpBB3 have a lot more features that phpBB2 does, so it’s not surprising that more large boards would go the way of something other than version 2 if they can afford it. I would have.
But now that v3 is out, I think we’ll start seeing the tide shift, phpBB3 is a great rival for any Bulletin Board Software on the market, I think price and the community/support will put it over the top.
Another major benefit of phpBB3, is the ease to build your website around it’s framework, this is very rarely mentioned, but phpBB3 makes this easily possible.
For me, that makes a big difference, when everything running on your site can be powered and integrated into the Bulletin Board Framework, that is quite a nice thing to have.

Now the question should be asked, will huge boards choose vB, IPB, or a Custom Solution, or will they choose phpBB3?

I think phpBB3 is up to the task. :D
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Re: phpbb3 vs vbulletin

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As an old phpbb user and someone who has used vb for the last 2 years or so. I have used both phpbb2 I enjoyed using it and when people ask me about forum software I recomend as the #1 free solution out there.

I definatelly agree that we will see alot of boards using phpbb3 now as it has alot more features that were definatelly needed. I dont see people switching from VB to phpbb3 though.

I do not work for vb or am associate in anyway I read through the list and just wanted to mention what was wrong. I havnt really gotten a chance to use phpbb3 since its gold release. I last used it in an early rc release so I do not know what some of the features are as their desciption on that list.
Here are some things VB has that your list says it doesnt
  • CAPTCHA Visual Confirmation: It has 3 different captcha methods in 3.7 including verbal.
  • Force Password Change: VB can force a user to change their password every certain amount of time
  • Quoting: You can fully embed quotes there is also an admin setting that when a user quotes a post it doesnt automatically put in the previous quote to prevent big sets of quote inside quote
  • Allow/Disallow Vote Change: This is a yes
  • Active Topics: Yes there is a nify icon for it
  • Search Flood Control: Yes
  • Forum Rules: Yes as of 3.7
  • Post Sorting: Semi its admin controlled and controlled descend or asscend
  • Manage Saved PM/Post Drafts: Yes
  • Address Book: VB had a friend list pre 3.6 now has a full networking system in 3.7
  • Message Drafts: Yes
  • Group Types: Yes
  • UCP Manage Group Memberships: Yes anyone who is the group leader can manage who is in it. Id like to point out that phpbb has the ability to add a user to your group if are leader. I miss this feature.
  • Topic History: as of 3.7 yes it actually has a post history which would be the same
  • Forum/Topic Logs: isnt that the same as topic history?
  • Merging Posts: Yes
  • Manage Bans: Yes
  • Manage User Warnings: Yes
  • User Notes: Yes
  • Manage Group Memberships: Yes
  • Banning by E-mail Address: Yes
  • Customise/Edit Imagesets: Yes
  • File Merge Diff Update Engine: NA this isnt needed as you dont need to edit files 99% of the time. They have a template/hook system. There is a template comparison system.
Now there are other things that vb has that phpbb that isnt on this list.

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Re: phpbb3 vs vbulletin

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Hi ssslippy,

Thank you for going over that list.
If you wouldn’t mind, please post your report in the webiste bug tracker located here:
http://www.phpbb.com/bugs/website/tickets.php

Thanks!!
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Techie-Micheal wrote:
sevsev wrote:Most, not all. Just an observation from browsing forums. I have seen many sites convert to vb. I myself am I phpbb3 follower :)

btw, what is the largest board in the world?
GaiaOnline.
crap...that is one big forum
Who is Online? - 61593 users. (45930 visible, 2752 hidden, 12911 guests).

Gaia has 1,231,067,036 articles posted with 10,712,354 registered users.
I think my server would self destruct if it had that many users online :D
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Thats why they have this hardware:
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  • 3 session database servers
  • 1 memory cache server
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Can you no longer delete your posts if they're the last in the thread? Or is that something phpBB.com has turned on?

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phpBB.com has disabled the ability to delete your posts.
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Re: phpbb3 vs vbulletin

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The only thing I see in vB that's a great advantage is some of its moderation tools. Soft-deleting posts (making them invisible without removing them from the DB) is a great advantage when running a large forum.

I help run a large vB forum and vB is often too clumsy and heavy for me (especially in usergroups and permissions). Once phpBB offers soft-deletion and faster moderation, I'll switch.

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i have never used VB and am not expert on phpbb too.bt i read a lot on this.

i dont get why phpbb3 didnt actually improve on phpbb2 with respect to basic SEO stuff? i mean thts basic

also things like quick reply. also layouts and admin controll options of VB is much better

vb seems much better, but then it comes for a price.

phpbb3 is free and tht i think is the biggest advantage. free and open source - is gr8

vb3 has features like online social groups - like orkut. thts a big development

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