Actually I believe your post is poisonous,the thread was meant for discussion and maybe at some point for curing the situation.stokerpiller wrote:I think all active communities get infected by poisonous people from time to time.
I also think this could be avoided by the community leaders in most cases.
I also believe you are starting a poisonous discussion.
And it would probably be better if you discussed this with the Management here.
About 8 minutes in the video they talk about Fortifying against the threat and the following is mentoined:
- politeness
- respect
- trust
- humility
A large part of the phpBB Team is failing here.
Yes, I told you it would be a poisonous discussion and I am sorry about that.
But its still my honest opinion. You have been asking for trouble for years.
I know its not nice to speak this out loud, especially when I chose NOT to back this up with examples or names. It would just inflame the discussion.
I still love the project.
But I dislike the community.
Honest words from me.
Actually, I don't. Although the team may be misunderstood at times, I do think the team members here practise these values.stokerpiller wrote:About 8 minutes in the video they talk about Fortifying against the threat and the following is mentoined:
- politeness
- respect
- trust
- humility
A large part of the phpBB Team is failing here.
I do perfectly agree here, I can say.stokerpiller wrote:I think all active communities get infected by poisonous people from time to time.
I also think this could be avoided by the community leaders in most cases.
I also believe you are starting a poisonous discussion.
And it would probably be better if you discussed this with the Management here.
About 8 minutes in the video they talk about Fortifying against the threat and the following is mentoined:
- politeness
- respect
- trust
- humility
A large part of the phpBB Team is failing here.
Yes, I told you it would be a poisonous discussion and I am sorry about that.
But its still my honest opinion. You have been asking for trouble for years.
I know its not nice to speak this out loud, especially when I chose NOT to back this up with examples or names. It would just inflame the discussion.
I still love the project.
But I dislike the community.
Honest words from me.
I completely agree. As I said, I think community leaders should remove those who are causing problems. They distract from the community.stokerpiller wrote:I think all active communities get infected by poisonous people from time to time.
I also think this could be avoided by the community leaders in most cases.
Yup, I completely agree.stokerpiller wrote:About 8 minutes in the video they talk about Fortifying against the threat and the following is mentoined:
- politeness
- respect
- trust
- humility
Thanks, I hadn't found that.onehundredandtwo wrote:There is also a slideshow available here: http://www.slideshare.net/vishnu/how-to ... ous-people
I'd disagree with your believe of no poisonous people. Not everyone who causes trouble is a poisonous person though. When I think of poison I think of something that spreads, gradually affecting that around it. There are some people (spammers immediately come to mind) that don't stick around, but are definitely not welcome.Jan Christensen wrote:I thought about not writing in this topic, but it occurs to me that what I have to contribute with might be valuable information for some.
There is no such thing as poisonous people IMO, but there are indeed different types of people, and because of this, also different types of forum users, and not all of these are good assets for a board.
The problem I've found is that they expect to be treated differently, and in fact are because of their existing relationship with the leaders of the community. It makes the decision to leave them much harder.GarethM wrote:Getting back to general poisonous people, I completely agree ckwalsh, if there is someone in a community that is making others unhappy, they should go, end of, no discussion about it.
I don't think it's right to treat people differently in that people who have contributed A LOT to the community should be treated better than someone who has just joined, if they are making others unhappy, then they need to wise up or get out.
In your opinion, how harsh should the leaders be in such an exchange? Too much and you may damage relationships too much to recover, eventually forcing the person to abandon the community. On the other hand, too little and you end up groveling with the person.GarethM wrote:In saying that, maybe if the person is a really good contributer and everyone used to get along with the person and all of a sudden they are acting weird or repelling people, may be it's worth one of the senior managers having a little chat to that person before kicking them out, maybe they are going through a rough patch in life, but if they continue to do it, then they should go.
Yeah good point!ckwalsh wrote:In your opinion, how harsh should the leaders be in such an exchange? Too much and you may damage relationships too much to recover, eventually forcing the person to abandon the community. On the other hand, too little and you end up groveling with the person.
I contributed to the thread.wadie wrote:Actually I believe your post is poisonous,the thread was meant for discussion and maybe at some point for curing the situation.
Please read my first post in this thread and respect that I wrote that I didnt want to backup with examples or nameswadie wrote:Why do you think a large part of the phpBB Team is failing here ? and was it something personal that had happened to you before ?
I believe this is a bad idea because it will take away some freedom from the community.ckwalsh wrote:Personally, I would rather have them removed. They cannot go on badmouthing your community forever, and I think the amount of people brought in from their absence with more than make up for their bad PR with good PR.
Maybe the person or small group of people will finaly wise up then and realise they are "upsetting" other users.stokerpiller wrote:First I want to make a "small" comment on this thread.
If you follow the discussions here and on area51, you would realize that this thread is created because of one single person, or maybe a small group of people who are very critical towards phpbb.com
Discussions you have been involved in ckwalsh
You say that its your own opinion, yet you still are writing with your colours and rank which means that you represent phpbb.com no matter what you say.
Since you have been involved in these discussions and spoken your opinion, starting this thread was a bad idea.
Its provoking the people to whom it is addressed. You are inflaming the situation.
You speak of ckwalsh provoking the people this topic was aimed at, again I say that ckwalsh didn't say this topic was aimed at anyone, but you've just accused wdie of being poisonous.stokerpiller wrote:I contributed to the thread.wadie wrote:Actually I believe your post is poisonous,the thread was meant for discussion and maybe at some point for curing the situation.
You should do the same instead of being poisonous
Not always true, someone doesn't have to be breaking the rules to be dragging down the name of the community.stokerpiller wrote:I believe this is a bad idea because it will take away some freedom from the community.ckwalsh wrote:Personally, I would rather have them removed. They cannot go on badmouthing your community forever, and I think the amount of people brought in from their absence with more than make up for their bad PR with good PR.
If people doesnt break any rule, they should not be removed.
Fair point, but there are certain ways to go about it instead of making it look like your taking digs at phpBB.stokerpiller wrote:Having some people being very critical and speaking up is a part of every system. If you kill it things will be very narrow minded.
True again, but phpBB use the "statistical information" sent from people from their ACPs to determine what features are used more than others so they get a good idea how to make the next version of phpBB. If there are people making phpBB look bad then the developers do have to spend time on thinking how to change that.stokerpiller wrote:You say that they take the developers time. Nobody is taking time from me that I dont want to give them.
That's viable I suppose, but he is part of the phpBB Team, so he is expected to reply to topics.stokerpiller wrote:Nobody is forcing you to participate in a discussion. Nobody is forcing you to write long post and answer all questions raised in a thread.
My point exactlystokerpiller wrote:You can be polite in one line.
Yes true, but sometimes people are just too poisonous that they will pick on every little detailstokerpiller wrote:As I see it its not about what to do with those people.
It how to avoid creating them and feeding them.
The phpBB Community does not ask people to join and be poisonous. I do understand what you are saying as in, certain topics in the community can cause people to become poisonous, but I don't think the community is ultimately responsible for poisonous people.stokerpiller wrote:When it comes to creating them, the community is often responsible.