FF8Jake` wrote:Oh please, don't get this ignorant topic going in an even more ignorant direction. This isn't the past, and things have changed.NarrowPathPilgrim wrote:If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have them
Would you perfer that I use a quote from a president?
Thomas Jefferson wrote: Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
Of course things have changed, But I am still ready to die for my God-given and Constitution-protected rights.
Your arguments just feed the anti-government private communty hicks living in the woods of Southern Oklahoma, threatening to shoot anything that "takes away their rights", while they refuse to pay taxes and tag the cars they drive.
They are only using their rights, what is wrong with that? As for the taxes, most of them are illegal, income tax for an example is the biggest theft that has ever been committed, it is TOTALLY illegal (see this site, this site, and this site). As for the shooting those who deny us our God-given rights, I would say this
Declaration of Independence wrote: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it
Samual Adams wrote: All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.
Patrick Henry wrote: It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
If you want to carry a gun that badly, go join the army or something.
Why should I? I have a right to bear arms!
I'm sorry, but that is the most neive statement I have ever heard. The American government can crush you like a bug in an instant. Heck, the American army could destroy most of the countries in the world in the matter of seconds should it want to(hey, you've got to admit, Iraq was no where near a display of the American army's power). No group of civillians cold do a thing, you are powerless, as are most citizens in most countries. Rarely has a civilian movement had any impact, with the exceptions of Lebenon and Ukrain recently, however they are far diferent countries compared to those in North America. If you want to tell George Dubya he's doing a crappy job by pointing a pistol in his face, I'll support you(heck, I wouldn't mine if you pulled the trigger) but realize that even if you had a group of 500-1000 you'd all be killed before even making it into the White House doors.
I am not going to tell you that you are wrong, but I am going to say "Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death" and give you this quote:
Daniel Webster wrote: No man can suffer too much, and no man can fall too soon, if he suffer or if he fall in defense of the liberties and Constitution of his country.
Samual Adams wrote: If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.