Volksdevil wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:19 pm
warmweer wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:54 pm
but one shouldn't expect the phpBB-team to solve those problems.
hmm, that's a tricky one.
Remember phpBB2 where modifications came with a file full of FINDs and DELETEs or ADDs. Everybody was happy until they found out that previous modifications could have altered the string which was supposed to be the FIND. Later, phpBB3, IIRC, came with an automated modification system which (not 100% sure about this since I never used that system) kept backups of each startset and could undo changes and reset the forum to a previous state.
Like I said, I never used it because I was 100 % sure that something could go wrong (e.g. updates making a mod file doing unexpected things, or wrong instructions, especially when it was the second instance of a FIND which should have been changed instead of the first encountered, or some generated files being deleted by the user). Fact is there were many posts about something going wrong. I'm not saying that the system was bad - I'm saying that the system cannot foresee everything and people seem to think that everthing released is riskfree.
The way I see it with the AutoUpdate in 3.2 is exactly the same: it's a new product, thoroughly tested I'm sure, and errors in it should be fixed but until they are it's a product which apparently doesn't fulfil the expectations.
I agree that since it's released by phpBB it should be fixed (and the discussion about the future is on Area51) but people who use modified core files on 3.1 should understand what they are doing and at the least
a) keep a backup, and
b) test the upgrade on a copy.
So yes: Autoupdate is not (rephrase: seems not to be) the product which lives up to "our" expectations and the phpBB team should do something about it. But what pisses me off is the tone of some posts when clearly the poster neglected to do the intelligent thing (no Backup, no testing, no reading) and then complains that they've lost their forum and are "forced" to change forumsoftware.
About the topic title: it was never a headache for me to upgrade or update and seeing how many users have succeeded in upgrading, the use of the word ALWAYS is not warranted.