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I turned on the TV with about 14 laps to go. After 2 laps it was clear there weren't enough laps remaining for MV to catch up with and overtake LH.
Then one on the other driver showed how not to drive an F1 car resulting in the safety car being dispatched, allowing MV to close the gap to an equivalent of 6 cars between LH and MV.
What happened next is was hysterical: the cars between LH and MV were taken out of the race. From what I heard they presented a danger to a normal conclusion of the race.
huh? What about in all the other races?
This effectively amounted to MV not having to overtake cars (which LH had overtaken) and allowed MV to settle in LH's slipstream and have 1 last, perhaps 2 opportunities to try and overtake (which succeeded) and be crowned World Champion.
Whether this result will stand isn't clear yet.

Personally ... the most ridiculous decision the officials could have taken in that situation :shock:

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The first decision, which concerned article 48.8, was announced at 7.16 p.m. Mercedes reckoned that Max Verstappen passed Lewis Hamilton on a safety car regime on lap 57.

After studying this first case, the race marshals decided not to follow up on the German team's appeal. They had ruled Red Bull's defense admissible. The Austrian team explained during their hearing that the two pilots did not perform the same task - one braking (Hamilton), the other accelerating (Verstappen) - when the Dutchman had passed Hamilton for a few moments.
Red Bull had also argued that there had been many similar cases in the history of Formula 1. "There have been a million precedents", argued Jonathan Wheatley, the sporting director of RB, who came to the hearing.

Mercedes can still appeal this decision.
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ssl wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:28 pm The first decision, which concerned article 48.8, was announced at 7.16 p.m. Mercedes reckoned that Max Verstappen passed Lewis Hamilton on a safety car regime on lap 57.

After studying this first case, the race marshals decided not to follow up on the German team's appeal. They had ruled Red Bull's defense admissible. The Austrian team explained during their hearing that the two pilots did not perform the same task - one braking (Hamilton), the other accelerating (Verstappen) - when the Dutchman had passed Hamilton for a few moments.
Red Bull had also argued that there had been many similar cases in the history of Formula 1. "There have been a million precedents", argued Jonathan Wheatley, the sporting director of RB, who came to the hearing.

Mercedes can still appeal this decision.
I don't have a problem with the part in blue. The explanation is fair and no advantage was given. But taking 6 cars which were lapped and positioned between LH and MV out of the race is always advantageous to the chaser.
This opens the door for future situations where a teammate could crash on purpose to have cars between the chaser and the leader taken out of the race.

LH had to overtake those cars and the (time)lead he thus created was "artificially" removed.

To be honest, I don't really care about the "sports" as the drivers aren't competing using the same material, unlike in many other sports in which ll contestant have access to the same sporting gear.
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Absolute shambles, no other way to put it, a race of huge importance and it turned into a fraud.

If I was Max Verstappen I wouldn't be happy winning like that and I don't like Lewis Hamilton but I would be fuming if I was him.

You can't just decide that for one race only you are going to make a race easier for someone.

If Hamilton was an American the #StopTheSteal hashtag would be trending right now.
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Overtake is a big word. They were being lapped so they had to get of LH way so he can easily pass them. MV was lucky with that safety car because he didn't have to pass those six cars in normal circumstances like LH. But that's how it's always being done when there is a SC. Whole season was full of incompetent decision by the FIA. The team bosses calling Racing Director to try influence his decisions during a race is comical.
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I’m not a fan by any means as I find it pretentious, I only watched the end because it was on in the pub but . . .

The race should have been stopped with a red flag, the track cleaned then a restart from wherever with each car starting at positions relevant to before the safety car getting involved. Other motor sports manage to do it.
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If the roles were reversed, Hamilton and fans would find nothing wrong with it and call it fair racing LOL

In the very first lap, Hamilton cheated going off the track without getting a penalty but was happy when Max was punished in race before FOR GIVING THE POSITION BACK

This was the theme whole year, Hamilton got so close due to cheating.

He should have been disqualified in Silverstone from the championship for crashing Max on purpose with his signature move that he has
done to Albion before. Without silverstone crash, this championship was comfortably Max's. He had to impress Tom cruise even through cheating and win in his hometown even if it meant killing Max. It was lucky MV survived but he could just have as well have been killed and that would've made LH a murderer!
See Lewis Hamilton's signature knocking opponents out of race when things get difficult even in his rocketship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHBgQw5OecA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oYkgWJe7qo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIKel6jVD3Q

Same thing to Max Verstappen. It's beautiful, 2019/2020/2021. LH has perfected this move, small nudge to the back and boom you crash your opponent, get a 5 or 10 second penalty which is nothing for the rocketship and you become an eight time world champion hehe


Even on last lap, Lewis car was so fast even on old hard tyres against fresh soft tyres of MV that it just reeks of some cheating
by Mercs that FIA hasn't figured out yet and hence why they were angry because 2022 they couldn't dominate with a rocketship
with 50 seconds lead over everyone

They got beaten in strategy, nobody was stopping LH from putting new tyres. FIA is getting the heat for letting fans see racing? Same
FI*A that was getting heat for deciding Belgium without racing

Sorry for Hamilton fans but nobody wants to see one car lead 1 minute ahead of everyone else and then LH singing praises of how
good he is LOL.

For the first time in his life, he had to race and he lost it, pure and simple. O(f course he would blame everyone else for his defeat
than admit he just isn't as good without a rocketship propelling him

Let's hope 2022 is when there's close racing then we will see who is the real champion. Max/Lnado/Charles/Sainz so many great
drivers that could be champions

I loved seeing the cheater cry. It was poetic justice for the crash of Silverstone.
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Maks33 wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:38 am If the roles were reversed, Hamilton and fans would find nothing wrong with it and call it fair racing LOL
That's your interpretation - and other F1 Teams seem to have a different opinion.
Maks33 wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:38 amSorry for Hamilton fans but nobody wants to see one car lead 1 minute ahead of everyone else and then LH singing praises of how
good he is LOL.
If that's a criterium then F1 racing should have been quit decennia ago.
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warmweer wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:21 pm If that's a criterium then F1 racing should have been quit decennia ago.
2021 was the most watched year for F1, think about why that is. What was different in 2021 from previous years?

Of course if you're biased towards one person, you do want to see one minute gap but that's not racing. That's just letting people follow in slower cars and call it a racing to satisfy your ego hehe which is what we saw from 2014 till 2020
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Maks33 wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:19 am
warmweer wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:21 pm If that's a criterium then F1 racing should have been quit decennia ago.
2021 was the most watched year for F1, think about why that is. What was different in 2021 from previous years?
You're actually saying that if a driver (or car, or motorcycle, boat, plane together with the "driver") performs better than the others, the "rules" can be changed haphazardly to make it more "interesting".
Maks33 wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:19 amOf course if you're biased towards one person, you do want to see one minute gap but that's not racing. That's just letting people follow in slower cars and call it a racing to satisfy your ego hehe which is what we saw from 2014 till 2020
biased? and who's ego are you referring to?

No need to answer, the controversy remains.
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Maks33 wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:19 amThat's just letting people follow in slower cars and call it a racing
That’s the nature of the beast, there are bound to be some cars and drivers that are better than others therefore faster and win more. It’s man and machine, not man or machine. It’s down to the other teams to pull their fingers out. Look at Valentino Rossi's move to Yamaha in MotoGP, he left the best garage (Honda) and bike but that didn’t stop him. We’ll see what happens when Honda pull out of F1 racing, maybe it will give Red Bull a chance?
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As expected, no hamilton in the mix this time for first position and it's pure, clean, and fun racing between Max and Leclerc. So much fun to watch these two race each other. There is also no crying or whining from the loser unlike last year when Hamilton would cry and accuse foulplay whenever he was beaten to top spot. This is how champions and true racers race, no whining, no cheating. Just see who is the best. No controversy either

Hamilton is a dirty racer, in yesterday race, he collided with Kevin for 5th spot. Ugh
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Max was whining the whole race!

Hamilton didn't deliberately hit Kmag, it was a racing incident. Kmag cut it a little tight and Ham understeered a bit so 50-50. Also Hamilton only finished 5th cos they convinced him to keep driving. 4 laps in he was ready to jack it in.
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