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Hosting extortion

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My hosting company is trying to hold mysite hosrage by raising the hosting fee by 8 times.
I joined 3 year ago.
When I asked they said they will give me 30% discount LOL.
I should have known this,
But let this be a warning to all.

So this brings up the question. Is it too mauch work to host on your own server after getting a static IP address etc.

How hard is the migration going to be ? I have about 1000 topics which is not tto bad
What do you think ?
I would like to hear about your experiences
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Well I guess many hosting companies these days will try to convince users to upgrade to a better plan as they have higher disk space or with the "unlimited x" strategy (which is not true at all).

Depending on their T.O.S. they may increase their prices whenever they want, but 8 times sounds a bit ridiculous imho.
In your situation I would just search another hosting which provides similar package that you current use, but at a better price. A board with 1k topics woudn't be hard to move from a hosting to another, but you'll just need a full backup at first. A full backup consists of your board's database and FTP files.

You can also read this article which explains you how to transfer your board to another hosting, in case if you decide to do so.
-> https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3 ... or-domain/
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4mpb5 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:34 am ...
How hard is the migration going to be ? I have about 1000 topics which is not tto bad
The migration isn't hard at all. 1000 topics is actually very small (depending on number of users and posts of course - and if you don't have a large number of attachments, locally stored files(non phpbb)
I suspect even a free hosting package would suffice (for a long time still).
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4mpb5 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:34 am Is it too much work to host on your own server after getting a static IP address etc.
If you mean hosting on your own computer via your ISP's connection you will probably find that it is not allowed.

Best to find a good host, most of which (the one I use included) will do the migration for you at no charge.

Remember, price should not be the sole deciding factor, service if far more important which is why I have stuck with my hosting company for the past 8 years
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warmweer wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 9:48 am
4mpb5 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:34 am ...
How hard is the migration going to be ? I have about 1000 topics which is not tto bad
The migration isn't hard at all. 1000 topics is actually very small (depending on number of users and posts of course - and if you don't have a large number of attachments, locally stored files(non phpbb)
I suspect even a free hosting package would suffice (for a long time still).
Thanks
However my question is as to whether I can set up a phpbb on another webhost and have the correct domain pointers to the same domain. Looks sort of complicated especially given that I have modified lot of code on many files as well as using many cool extensions.
Looks like lot of work
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HiFiKabin wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:33 am If you mean hosting on your own computer via your ISP's connection you will probably find that it is not allowed.
Thanks
Good to know
HiFiKabin wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:33 am Best to find a good host, most of which (the one I use included) will do the migration for you at no charge.
Remember, price should not be the sole deciding factor, service if far more important which is why I have stuck with my hosting company for the past 8 years
This sounds good especially the migration part
May I ask which host ?
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Madalin10 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:52 am You can also read this article which explains you how to transfer your board to another hosting, in case if you decide to do so.
-> https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3 ... or-domain/
Thanks
I will take a look
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Madalin10 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:52 am You can also read this article which explains you how to transfer your board to another hosting, in case if you decide to do so.
-> https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3 ... or-domain/
Again my concern is domain pointers.
If I have a domain called abc.com can I use xyz.com at my new host or do I need to transfer my domain abc.com to my new host.
Looks simple but from my past experience, small details can cause lots of problems
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If you follow the directions for transferring a domain it's easy to do.
https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3 ... or-domain/

If you are changing the domain name the most important instructions is to make sure "Force server URL settings is set to NO", phpBB is "self aware" and only uses domain settings when that is set to yes.
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thecoalman wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 11:16 pm If you follow the directions for transferring a domain it's easy to do.
https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3 ... or-domain/
I understand . Just transferring the domain name only should not be that hard
But my concern is more about setting up a newer version of PhpBB and loading the transferred DB file onto it.
Never works that easy. Easier sid than done.
That is why I was aksing the person who said the new wenhost can do the migration for you. That sounds cool but when I asked which webhost does that, I am waiting for the reply
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4mpb5 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:41 pm
Madalin10 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:52 am You can also read this article which explains you how to transfer your board to another hosting, in case if you decide to do so.
-> https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3 ... or-domain/
Again my concern is domain pointers.
If I have a domain called abc.com can I use xyz.com at my new host or do I need to transfer my domain abc.com to my new host.
Looks simple but from my past experience, small details can cause lots of problems
I changed hosts earlier this year. It was very simple. I would not change domains as that would be annoying for current users. I would do it in two steps.

1) I would transfer the domain to a separate domain name registrar. It's best practice to have the domain registered with someone other than your website host anyway.

2) Once #1 is done, you can migrate the board to a new host. As mentioned above, many hosting services to this migration for you which makes things very easy. Pretty much have them do it if it's free anyway. But doing it manually is not that complicated either as there is the KB article on how to do it.

I had about 6 hours of downtime with the entire process which was mostly just waiting for the new DNS propagating.

Not sure if posting hosting or domain registrars are allowed but you can PM if you want the the names that I used as this worked flawlessly for moving my board.
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invenio wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 8:14 pm 1) I would transfer the domain to a separate domain name registrar. It's best practice to have the domain registered with someone other than your website host anyway.

2) Once #1 is done, you can migrate the board to a new host. As mentioned above, many hosting services to this migration for you which makes things very easy. Pretty much have them do it if it's free anyway. But doing it manually is not that complicated either as there is the KB article on how to do it.
Set the board up on the the new host first. Find out what the IP is, this available om main page of Cpanel if that is what you have. The following directions are for Windows but you can do the same thing with other OS's. Open C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts

At end of file add:

Code: Select all

127.0.0.1 yourdoamain.com
127.0.0.1 www.yourdomain.com
127.0.0.1 is for local host if for example you are using XAMPP, you need to change this to IP of new host. Save the file. Browsers can be finicky with this, in FF open settings>> Security and privacy. Find "DNS over HTTPS" and add exception for your domain. Open site in browser and do a hard refresh with ctrl-f5. You'll get warning about the SSL cert, click advanced button and make an exception. You should be viewing the website on new host so you can test things. You can spend as much time as you want making sure everything went smoothly.

To revert just comment it out and save.

Code: Select all

#127.0.0.1 yourdoamain.com
#127.0.0.1 www.yourdomain.com

Once you know it's working properly you can disable the forum on the old host. Export the DB and import on new host so you latest. you'll also need to transfer any new attachments and avatars that were uploaded since the initial move. Using the hosts trick you can login, enable the forum and do little testing.

Change the nameservers, DNS propagation can take a while but the users should start showing up after short time.

The one issue is the SSL cert. I have always done this from WHM which allows me to force autoSSL to update it but this only works after changing the nameservers. I don't know what the process is for Cpanel only. Check with your host about this.
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