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Acyd Burn
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Conversions from phpBB2 to Beta5 and future support

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I think the following may be a little pre-warning to all those not familiar in PHP/SQL but - even if warned - running their converted boards live or intend to rely on the conversion done with the convertor included within the Beta5 release.

Since we intend to give full support beginning with the Release Candidate 1 and also need to be sure everyone is on one level we may (it is very likely) enforce the rule to only support new installations. No updated versions and no converted versions. This is especially important because your installation is semi-functional if you used the convertor included within the beta5 release. This version had numerous bugs and is meant for testing purposes - as well as the conversion code within CVS is meant for testing purposes. Therefore, i highly recommend you think over your plans on migration. Plan your migration, test your migration, try to create a unique style for your site, make sure it is working as you want it to be - but do not make the false assumption that you are able to go live with it. Even if you do not notice the bugs now, you will once you have a constant rate of active members.

To summarize - we include an updater from beta5 to rc1 within the next release, but we will most likely not support updated or converted versions prior to RC1. If you have the knowledge you most likely do not need the support anyway - and you are most likely already helping others with their problems. With this step we do not want to discourage or punish anyone; we want to make sure you get the best support possible. Olympus is new, it is challenging, it is completely different compared to 2.0.x - it will take time for everybody to get used to it.

I will let this topic open for any further questions. But please stay civilized. ;)
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Post by Learnerrr »

One single question, that might sound weird.

Can I move the db (posts, threads, members and all else) from phpBB2 to phpBB3 normally?

Thank you.
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Post by david63 »

Just to clarify - does this mean that if I do a clean install of RC1 and then convert my phpbb2 board there will be no support?
No updated versions and no converted versions.
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Post by karlsemple »

david63 wrote: Just to clarify - does this mean that if I do a clean install of RC1 and then convert my phpbb2 board there will be no support?
No updated versions and no converted versions.


The way I read that is,

There will be an update script from beta5 to the RC. Do not however upgrade your phpBB2 boards to beta5 assuming you can then update to RC. The reason for this is that the phpBB2 to phpBB3 converter included with beta 5 was bugged and this the conversion will not have worked correctly. As far as I am aware we will be supporting conversions during the RC stage, but not ones which were converted during the beta 5 stage. I could be wrong though ;)
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Post by Acyd Burn »

This is how i meant it, yes. Conversions done from phpBB2 to RC1 with the convertor within RC1 will be supported.
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Post by battye »

Learnerrr wrote: One single question, that might sound weird.

Can I move the db (posts, threads, members and all else) from phpBB2 to phpBB3 normally?

Thank you.


Yes, using the converter. But unless you are incredibly capable with PHP and SQL, wait some time (at least until RC1, but waiting until 3.0.0 would be best) before upgrading the database.
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david63 wrote: Just to clarify - does this mean that if I do a clean install of RC1 and then convert my phpbb2 board there will be no support?
No updated versions and no converted versions.


phpBB3 RC1 (clean install) - Supported
phpBB3 RC1 (clean install) => Convert a phpBB2 - Supported
phpBB3 BetaX => phpBB3 RC1 (upgraded to) - Unsupported
phpBB3 BetaX => Convert a phpBB2 => phpB3 RC1 (upgraded to) - Unsupported

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Post by david63 »

Thanks that has clarified it for everyone.

Just one more interesting question - how will anyone know if it is an "unsupported" version?
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Post by karlsemple »

david63 wrote: Thanks that has clarified it for everyone.

Just one more interesting question - how will anyone know if it is an "unsupported" version?



The bugs and problems they are likely to get will be specific to whatever method they used.
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Post by Acyd Burn »

I know that you never can be sure when giving support - we just need to trust our users. ;) And most of the time when trying to resolve the issue you will see which way it was done. There are also some bugs indicating which version was used. :)
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Post by Goidse »

You can still save your beta 5's database, perform a clean install with rc1 and restore all settings, post, members etc. as in beta5?
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Goidse wrote: You can still save your beta 5's database, perform a clean install with rc1 and restore all settings, post, members etc. as in beta5?
Is that a statement of fact or a question?

From what has been said above I would say NO. A clean install of RC1, complete with a clean database, is all that will be supported.
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Post by matthewf »

Goidse wrote: You can still save your beta 5's database, perform a clean install with rc1 and restore all settings, post, members etc. as in beta5?


not sure if it will work anyway, as there will be different DB changes from beta to RC, as the B5 DB hasn't been updated then it will still be using DB5 tables, and ultimately may be buggy or you may have other problems, settings not correctly working and other issues, so if you want full support wait for the RC release
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Post by karlsemple »

Goidse wrote: You can still save your beta 5's database, perform a clean install with rc1 and restore all settings, post, members etc. as in beta5?



No! that would not be a clean install of the RC1 (as you have already mentioned database differences) It would almost be the same as "phpBB3 BetaX => phpBB3 RC1 (upgraded to) - Unsupported "
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Post by matthewf »

the thing is, unless I am missing something, as there will be no support from betaX to RC1, then why are the devs going to include an update package? wouldn't it be simpler and better all round not to include such a package? put it this way, I really wonder how many people will read this sticky? considering that there are a lot of people that haven't read the last one, otherwise all those countless questions on mods / when will phpbb3 be gold, etc wouldn't have been asked or as many, so if I was to hazard a guess, then a lot of people might not bother to read this latest one, as they will update the board to RC1 and start asking for support when things go wrong, it would be a headache for everyone,, and a lot of people asking similar or same questions, only to be told countless times that there is no support for the path they took
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