Not quite ...Liquinn wrote:Guns kill, people do as well.
What....?Liquinn wrote:Without the guns? How can you pull the trigger?
Except that (and I mentioned this earlier in the topic) people can and do make guns out of things like ink pens. There's no trigger on those, and yet it still requires human interaction. Usually pulling the pen top to pull back in the pin to strike the primer after you release the spring-loaded pen top, but the point is, you cannot successfully outlaw guns. I and others have stated this many times over in this topic. Criminals are going to still get their hands on weapons, or make their own as I just stated again.Liquinn wrote:If there were no guns, there would be no access to a trigger.
Adding on to that, guns aren't the only weapons. From a self-defense standpoint, you're in a much worse situation with someone who has a knife than someone who has a gun.Techie-Micheal wrote:Except that (and I mentioned this earlier in the topic) people can and do make guns out of things like ink pens. There's no trigger on those, and yet it still requires human interaction. Usually pulling the pen top to pull back in the pin to strike the primer after you release the spring-loaded pen top, but the point is, you cannot successfully outlaw guns. I and others have stated this many times over in this topic. Criminals are going to still get their hands on weapons, or make their own as I just stated again.Liquinn wrote:If there were no guns, there would be no access to a trigger.
Using that argument, computer piracy, hard drugs and everything else should be legalised. Heroin isn't bad, it needs someone to inject it. adobe.photoshop.cs3.iso isn't bad, it needs someone to install it.Techie-Micheal wrote:Not quite ...Liquinn wrote:Guns kill, people do as well.
If you put a gun in the middle of a table, it will stay there without doing anything. It requires someone pull the trigger, ergo, people kill people, not guns.
bzzzt. Sorry, try again.Anon wrote:Using that argument, computer piracy, hard drugs and everything else should be legalised. Heroin isn't bad, it needs someone to inject it. adobe.photoshop.cs3.iso isn't bad, it needs someone to install it.Techie-Micheal wrote:Not quite ...Liquinn wrote:Guns kill, people do as well.
If you put a gun in the middle of a table, it will stay there without doing anything. It requires someone pull the trigger, ergo, people kill people, not guns.
Some guns have good purposes. I would consider hunting rifles a good use of a gun, as long as it is done for hunting purposes only. Any other gun does not have a "good use", especially when there are so many non lethal alternatives for self defence.Techie-Micheal wrote:bzzzt. Sorry, try again.Anon wrote:Using that argument, computer piracy, hard drugs and everything else should be legalised. Heroin isn't bad, it needs someone to inject it. adobe.photoshop.cs3.iso isn't bad, it needs someone to install it.Techie-Micheal wrote:Not quite ...Liquinn wrote:Guns kill, people do as well.
If you put a gun in the middle of a table, it will stay there without doing anything. It requires someone pull the trigger, ergo, people kill people, not guns.
One of the flaws is that it is not illegal to own a gun. It is illegal to own and to produce pirated software. Another flaw is that we are not talking about illegal drugs which have no good purpose. Guns, whether or not you wish to accept it, have good uses. But you are missing the point completely.
We've been down this road before. If you are faced with a deadly threat, are you going to sit there and kick the guy in the shins until he gives up and hope you don't get shot? Or are you going to take control and shoot him before he kills you or someone else (assuming you have a firearm)? I would hope you wouldn't sit there like a kid kicking someone in the shins ...Anon wrote:Some guns have good purposes. I would consider hunting rifles a good use of a gun, as long as it is done for hunting purposes only. Any other gun does not have a "good use", especially when there are so many non lethal alternatives for self defence.Techie-Micheal wrote:bzzzt. Sorry, try again.Anon wrote:Using that argument, computer piracy, hard drugs and everything else should be legalised. Heroin isn't bad, it needs someone to inject it. adobe.photoshop.cs3.iso isn't bad, it needs someone to install it.Techie-Micheal wrote:Not quite ...Liquinn wrote:Guns kill, people do as well.
If you put a gun in the middle of a table, it will stay there without doing anything. It requires someone pull the trigger, ergo, people kill people, not guns.
One of the flaws is that it is not illegal to own a gun. It is illegal to own and to produce pirated software. Another flaw is that we are not talking about illegal drugs which have no good purpose. Guns, whether or not you wish to accept it, have good uses. But you are missing the point completely.
I'm sorry, but there is no such thing as safe heroin. But you are still completely missing the point. Drugs and piracy have nothing to do with firearms. So I'll state the point again. A firearm is controlled by a human. Therefore, a gun does not kill. Yes, a gun contains the lethal force, but it will not act on its own. It cannot act on its own. Just like I could use my hands to provide lethal force, my hands are not acting independent of what I want them to do, they are doing what I tell them. But since you insist on using examples that have nothing to do with the topic: ISO files will not install themselves until someone installs them. Heroin will not inject itself in to someone with out someone injecting it. None of them are capable of any activity on their own, they require humans.I realise hard drugs and piracy are illegal, which is why I mentioned the word "legalised". In addition, a gun kills people. Heroin, when taken safely does not, neither does an ISO file.