Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

[naderman]

Please discuss the updates by our students on their Google and phpBB Summer of Code projects:

• Google Summer of Code 2012: Attachment Improvements
• Google Summer of Code 2012: Search Backend Refactoring
• Google Summer of Code 2012: Authentication Plugin Refactoring and User Integration
• phpBB Summer of Code 2012: Post Revision Tracking

[Elias]

Very nice work and very nice read!

Thanks

[Danielx64]

It look rather sexy I must say. How can one put it into phpbb 3.0.x line? Would it be too hard?

[Pony99CA]

If somebody does not have a "modern browser" (whatever that means ), does it gracefully degrade to the previous experience?

Steve

[Danielx64]

If somebody does not have a "modern browser" (whatever that means ), does it gracefully degrade to the previous experience?

Steve

From what I read, the answer should be yes but don't take my words just yet though.

[Fyorl]

If somebody does not have a "modern browser" (whatever that means ), does it gracefully degrade to the previous experience?

Steve

The term 'modern browser' here refers to one that supports HTML5, particularly the file API.

To answer your question, if the browser doesn't support the new uploader, the user will simply see the old one which will still function just as it always has.

[Pony99CA]

If somebody does not have a "modern browser" (whatever that means ), does it gracefully degrade to the previous experience?

The term 'modern browser' here refers to one that supports HTML5, particularly the file API.

OK, thanks. As a suggestion (and not just for you), people should say "HTML 5-capable browser" if that's what they mean. "Modern" could mean HTML 5 support, CSS 3 support or even anything newer than IE 6.

To answer your question, if the browser doesn't support the new uploader, the user will simply see the old one which will still function just as it always has.

I presumed that it would, but just wanted to be sure.

Steve

[Oleg]

OK, thanks. As a suggestion (and not just for you), people should say "HTML 5-capable browser" if that's what they mean.

Since the people in charge of html5 decided to not ever stop changing html5, there will never be a browser implementing all of html5, and as such "HTML 5-capable browser" is fairly meaningless.

[Pony99CA]

OK, thanks. As a suggestion (and not just for you), people should say "HTML 5-capable browser" if that's what they mean.

Since the people in charge of html5 decided to not ever stop changing html5, there will never be a browser implementing all of html5, and as such "HTML 5-capable browser" is fairly meaningless.

I think the same is true of CSS 2 and CSS 3; many browsers support parts of them but not the whole thing. Nonetheless, saying "HTML 5-capable" or "CSS 3-capable" is still more useful IMHO than saying "modern". The only truly precise option would be to specify browser versions, which would become unwieldy; my suggestion provides more precision than "modern" without being so verbose.

Also, I presume that there will be an HTML 6 at some point, at which time HTML 5 standards development will slow down or stop.

Finally, getting somewhat back on track, if this change is implemented, what doctype will phpBB support? I presume that it won't be XHTML 1.0 Strict as it does now.

Steve

[A_Jelly_Doughnut]

Correct. phpBB 3.1-dev is currently running with an HTML5 doctype (they did away with transitional and strict AFAIK)

[MichaelC]

OK, thanks. As a suggestion (and not just for you), people should say "HTML 5-capable browser" if that's what they mean.

Since the people in charge of html5 decided to not ever stop changing html5, there will never be a browser implementing all of html5, and as such "HTML 5-capable browser" is fairly meaningless.

The HTML5 specification has not been finished yet; however many browsers support [some/most] of the current HTML5 features. If I recall correctly the W3C's timeline was to have a full specification and to give it a W3C Recommendation in 2014 but I'm not sure if that is still the case.

EDIT: Looked this up a bit and you can see a breakdown of components by status here. I also looked at the schedule and the Last Call date was delayed and I even found one place where the editor of the HTML5 Spec was talking about finishing in 2022.

[naderman]

HTML5 is a "living standard". There is no versioning anymore HTML5 is just HTML. There won't be any later versions either, since HTML now just evolves. As such there simply is no HTML standard that can be fully implemented, but only ever the HTML standard at the time. And there won't be any final version either.

See http://blog.whatwg.org/html-is-the-new-html5

[uuiiuu]

wow looks good! cant wait for the new system

[keith10456]

Looks good... Keep up the good work! I'm certain members across the phpBB community will appreciate it

[Pony99CA]

HTML5 is a "living standard". There is no versioning anymore HTML5 is just HTML. There won't be any later versions either, since HTML now just evolves. As such there simply is no HTML standard that can be fully implemented, but only ever the HTML standard at the time. And there won't be any final version either.

See http://blog.whatwg.org/html-is-the-new-html5

Thanks for clarifying that. I guess that means that there won't be an HTML 6.

However, won't that make things difficult for HTML validators? How will a validator be able to correctly recommend what HTML elements/attributes are valid? Removing versions seems like a bad decision to me. It would be like the phpBB team saying "phpBB is a living project (which it is) and therefore doesn't need versions."

Steve