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Post by Elias » Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:36 pm

Very nice work and very nice read!

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Re: Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

Post by Danielx64 » Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:32 am

It look rather sexy I must say. How can one put it into phpbb 3.0.x line? Would it be too hard?
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Re: Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

Post by Pony99CA » Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:50 pm

If somebody does not have a "modern browser" (whatever that means :)), does it gracefully degrade to the previous experience?

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Re: Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

Post by Danielx64 » Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:20 pm

Pony99CA wrote:If somebody does not have a "modern browser" (whatever that means :)), does it gracefully degrade to the previous experience?

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From what I read, the answer should be yes but don't take my words just yet though.
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Re: Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

Post by Fyorl » Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:40 pm

Pony99CA wrote:If somebody does not have a "modern browser" (whatever that means :)), does it gracefully degrade to the previous experience?

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The term 'modern browser' here refers to one that supports HTML5, particularly the file API.

To answer your question, if the browser doesn't support the new uploader, the user will simply see the old one which will still function just as it always has.

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Re: Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

Post by Pony99CA » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:19 pm

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Pony99CA wrote:If somebody does not have a "modern browser" (whatever that means :)), does it gracefully degrade to the previous experience?
The term 'modern browser' here refers to one that supports HTML5, particularly the file API.
OK, thanks. As a suggestion (and not just for you), people should say "HTML 5-capable browser" if that's what they mean. "Modern" could mean HTML 5 support, CSS 3 support or even anything newer than IE 6. :shock:
Fyorl wrote:To answer your question, if the browser doesn't support the new uploader, the user will simply see the old one which will still function just as it always has.
I presumed that it would, but just wanted to be sure. ;)

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Re: Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

Post by Oleg » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:17 am

Pony99CA wrote: OK, thanks. As a suggestion (and not just for you), people should say "HTML 5-capable browser" if that's what they mean.
Since the people in charge of html5 decided to not ever stop changing html5, there will never be a browser implementing all of html5, and as such "HTML 5-capable browser" is fairly meaningless.
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Re: Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

Post by Pony99CA » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:36 am

Oleg wrote:
Pony99CA wrote: OK, thanks. As a suggestion (and not just for you), people should say "HTML 5-capable browser" if that's what they mean.
Since the people in charge of html5 decided to not ever stop changing html5, there will never be a browser implementing all of html5, and as such "HTML 5-capable browser" is fairly meaningless.
I think the same is true of CSS 2 and CSS 3; many browsers support parts of them but not the whole thing. Nonetheless, saying "HTML 5-capable" or "CSS 3-capable" is still more useful IMHO than saying "modern". The only truly precise option would be to specify browser versions, which would become unwieldy; my suggestion provides more precision than "modern" without being so verbose. :)

Also, I presume that there will be an HTML 6 at some point, at which time HTML 5 standards development will slow down or stop. ;)

Finally, getting somewhat back on track, if this change is implemented, what doctype will phpBB support? I presume that it won't be XHTML 1.0 Strict as it does now.

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Re: Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

Post by A_Jelly_Doughnut » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:46 am

Correct. phpBB 3.1-dev is currently running with an HTML5 doctype (they did away with transitional and strict AFAIK)
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Re: Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

Post by MichaelC » Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:47 am

Oleg wrote:
Pony99CA wrote: OK, thanks. As a suggestion (and not just for you), people should say "HTML 5-capable browser" if that's what they mean.
Since the people in charge of html5 decided to not ever stop changing html5, there will never be a browser implementing all of html5, and as such "HTML 5-capable browser" is fairly meaningless.
The HTML5 specification has not been finished yet; however many browsers support [some/most] of the current HTML5 features. If I recall correctly the W3C's timeline was to have a full specification and to give it a W3C Recommendation in 2014 but I'm not sure if that is still the case.

EDIT: Looked this up a bit and you can see a breakdown of components by status here. I also looked at the schedule and the Last Call date was delayed and I even found one place where the editor of the HTML5 Spec was talking about finishing in 2022.
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Re: Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

Post by naderman » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:03 pm

HTML5 is a "living standard". There is no versioning anymore HTML5 is just HTML. There won't be any later versions either, since HTML now just evolves. As such there simply is no HTML standard that can be fully implemented, but only ever the HTML standard at the time. And there won't be any final version either.

See http://blog.whatwg.org/html-is-the-new-html5
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Re: Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

Post by uuiiuu » Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:14 pm

wow looks good! cant wait for the new system :D

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Re: Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

Post by keith10456 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:54 pm

Looks good... Keep up the good work! I'm certain members across the phpBB community will appreciate it ;)

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Re: Discuss: Google Summer of Code Updates

Post by Pony99CA » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:54 am

naderman wrote:HTML5 is a "living standard". There is no versioning anymore HTML5 is just HTML. There won't be any later versions either, since HTML now just evolves. As such there simply is no HTML standard that can be fully implemented, but only ever the HTML standard at the time. And there won't be any final version either.

See http://blog.whatwg.org/html-is-the-new-html5
Thanks for clarifying that. I guess that means that there won't be an HTML 6. :)

However, won't that make things difficult for HTML validators? How will a validator be able to correctly recommend what HTML elements/attributes are valid? Removing versions seems like a bad decision to me. It would be like the phpBB team saying "phpBB is a living project (which it is) and therefore doesn't need versions." :?

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