"British English" vs. "English (British)"

[scootergrisen]

I notice that the two english languages does not start with "English".
But rather "British English" and "American English".
Would it not be better to have the text start with the language and then followed by different variants of that language if there is more then one type.
Like:
"English (British)"
"English (American)"
Or:
"English (UK)"
"English (US)"
Or:
"English (en-GB)"
"English (en-US)"
Notice how spanish is called "Español Mexican" and not "Mexican Español".
For some reason "British English" and "American English" are sorted as if they start with "E" but British before American.

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[david63]

I have always been of the opinion that "American English" is an oxymoron!

[scootergrisen]

Perhaps we should make all the languages that have both formal and casual translations use the same style.

Deutsch (Du)
Deutsch (Sie)
Español (Usted)
Español Mexicano (Tú)
Español Argentino
Español (Tú)
Hrvatski ("Ti")
Hrvatski ("Vi")
Nederlands (Informeel)
Nederlands (Formeel)

So which one is the best to use?

I'm not sure about uses ( and ) for it because if the navn already have it like "English (British)" it would become "English (British) (Casual)" with double ( and ).

[david63]

"English (British) (Casual)"

There is no such thing.

There is no such thing as "English (British)" - there is English and that is all. There are no variants of English just plain, simple, straightforward English.

Why try and make problems that do not exist?

[scootergrisen]

I wrote "English (British) (Casual)" to point out the problem with double ( and ).
We can use "Español (Mexicano) (Tú)" as an example instead.
I was just pointing out it might be better to use something else like "Español (Mexicano - Tú)" or whatever.

There are two english on https://www.phpbb.com/languages/ so someone must have thought there needed to be more then one english language pack.

Examples or differences between the two enligsh language packs:

colour/color
synchronize/synchronise
authorised/authorized
behaviour/behavior

[Lumpy Burgertushie]

personally I don't see a need for having two english packs. pick one. as you said, the differences are very minor and nobody cares.

as for other languages that have two versions, I have no idea since I don't speak/read or write them.

however, there is really no need to change any of it. it has all been working just fine for a very long time.

robert

[scootergrisen]

I have heard that sentence many times when i suggest something.

It have been that way for a long time so lets keep it that way because thats the way it is and has been... always... for ever and ever... dont change it

I dont see that because something have been the way it is longer then other things that it have more reason to keep staying that way.

If someone can show be other software/websites/etc. that have a language that begin with British or American please show it.

We can agree that there is no language called British or American right?

Here is an example for a website with language selection (top right):
https://xfce.org/
They use:

English
English (Australia)
English (United Kingdom)

Let try to search for language packs that begin with e.
Silly me of course i should search under a and b for english.

[Lumpy Burgertushie]

now you are being a smart alec. what does other software have to do with phpbb? just because other software does something does not mean that phpbb needs to do it as well. remember what your mother used to say. " just because johnny jumps off the roof does that mean you have to as well?"

ok, I am going to get out of this one. I have read all of your posts lately about everything you are finding wrong with the way the translations are being done in phpbb. you certainly have the right to your opinions but that does not mean you are correct or that anyone else should agree with your opinion.

remember what opinions are like? everyone has one.

luck,
robert

[3Di]

I have always been of the opinion that "American English" is an oxymoron!

Ehe, like a "genuine imitation" or "original copy"?

[Ancica]

as for other languages that have two versions, I have no idea since I don't speak/read or write them.

en = how r u?

hr "ti" = kako si?

hr "vi" = kako ste?

both, and "ti" and "vi", refers to the same person, the difference is whether u address him/her informally or "with respect".

[canonknipser]

For some reason "British English" and "American English" are sorted as if they start with "E" but British before American.

Had a look at the code, and the reason for that behaviour is that the languages are sorted by the value of "English name" in their iso.txt files.

A little nitpicking: "American English" is a wrong term, not because of

"American English" is an oxymoron!

, but because it is according to the ISO-Code en-US "English as spoken in the United States of America". There are other countries in the Americas having English as a language (like Canada and British Virgin Islands ...). So "American English" should have ISO-Code en-019

[Mick]

It could go on forever with other English speaking countries and there could be more:

Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
The Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Canada
Dominica
Grenada
Guyana
India (India now claims to be the world's second-largest English-speaking country-125 million)
Northern Ireland
Jamaica
New Zealand
Republic of Ireland
South Africa
St Kitts and Nevis
St Lucia
St Vincent and the Grenadines
Trinidad and Tobago
United Kingdom
United States of America

[orynider]

Here is a snipped from https://github.com/Mx-Publisher/famfamfam_flags
You can then rename them in Your language file not to have an oxymoron list but grouped after macro language name.

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 	case 'aae':
 		$lang_name = 'AFRICAN-AMERICAN_ENGLISH';
 		$country_name = 'UNITED_STATES'; 
 	break;

/* ... */

 	case 'en_uk':
 	case 'en-UK':
 	case 'uk':
 		$lang_name = 'BRITISH_ENGLISH'; //used in United Kingdom
 		$country_name = 'GREAT_BRITAIN';
 	break;
 			
 	case 'en_fj':
 	case 'en-FJ':
 		$lang_name = 'FIJIAN_ENGLISH';
 		$country_name = 'FIJI';
 	break;
 	
 	case 'GibE':			
 	case 'en_gb':
 	case 'en-GB':
 	case 'gb':
 		$lang_name = 'GIBRALTARIAN _ENGLISH'; //used in Gibraltar
 		$country_name = 'GIBRALTAR';
 	break;
 	
 	case 'en_us':
 	case 'en-US':
 		$lang_name = 'AMERICAN_ENGLISH';
 		$country_name = 'UNITED_STATES_OF_AMERICA';
 	break;
 	
 	case 'en_ie':
 	case 'en-IE':
 	case 'USEng':
 		$lang_name = 'HIBERNO_ENGLISH'; //Irish English
 		$country_name = 'IRELAND';
 	break;
 	
 	case 'en_il':
 	case 'en-IL':
 	case 'ILEng':
 	case 'heblish':
 	case 'engbrew':
 		$lang_name = 'ISRAELY_ENGLISH'; 
 		$country_name = 'ISRAEL';
 	break;
 	
 	case 'en_ca':
 	case 'en-CA':
 	case 'CanE':
 		$lang_name = 'CANADIAN_ENGLISH'; 
 		$country_name = 'CANADA';
 	break;	
 	
 	case 'en_ck':
 		$lang_name = 'COOK_ISLANDS_ENGLISH';
 		$country_name = 'COOK_ISLANDS'; //CK 	Cook Islands
 	break;	
 	
 	case 'en_in':
 	case 'en-IN':
 		$lang_name = 'INDIAN_ENGLISH'; 
 		$country_name = 'REPUBLIC_OF_INDIA';
 	break;
 	
 	case 'en_ai':
 	case 'en-AI':
 		$lang_name = 'ANGUILLAN_ENGLISH'; 
 		$country_name = 'ANGUILLA';
 	break;
 	
 	case 'en_au':
 	case 'en-AU':
 	case 'AuE': 
 		$lang_name = 'AUSTRALIAN_ENGLISH'; 
 		$country_name = 'AUSTRALIA';
 	break;	
 	
 	case 'en_nz':
 	case 'en-NZ':
 	case 'NZE': 
 		$lang_name = 'NEW_ZEALAND_ENGLISH'; 
 		$country_name = 'NEW_ZEALAND';
 	break;	
 	
 	//New England English
 	case 'en_ne':
 		$lang_name = 'NEW_ENGLAND_ENGLISH';
 		$country_name = 'NEW_ENGLAND';
 	break;
 	
 	//
 	case 'en_bm':
 		$lang_name = 'BERMUDIAN ENGLISH.';
 		$country_name = 'BERMUDA';
 	break;
 					
 	case 'en_nu':
 		$lang_name = 'NIUEAN_ENGLISH'; //Niuean (official) 46% (a Polynesian language closely related to Tongan and Samoan)
 		$country_name = 'NIUE'; // Niuean: Niuē
 	break;
 	
 	case 'en_ms':
 		$lang_name = 'MONTSERRAT_ENGLISH';
 		$country_name = 'MONTSERRAT';
 	break;	
 	
 	case 'en_pn':
 		$lang_name = 'PITCAIRN_ISLAND_ENGLISH';
 		$country_name = 'PITCAIRN_ISLAND';
 	break;
 					
 	case 'en_sh':
 		$lang_name = 'ST_HELENA_ENGLISH';
 		$country_name = 'ST_HELENA';
 	break;
 	
 	case 'en_tc':
 		$lang_name = 'TURKS_&_CAICOS_IS_ENGLISH';
 		$country_name = 'TURKS_&_CAICOS_IS';
 	break;	

 	case 'en_vg':
 		$lang_name = 'VIRGIN_ISLANDS_ENGLISH';
 		$country_name = 'VIRGIN_ISLANDS_(BRIT)';
 	break;
 	

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